Took a week from booking for them to come and install it and 90 minutes later it was all done. Proper 2 hour appointment slot as well. Easy peasy.
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Took a week from booking for them to come and install it and 90 minutes later it was all done. Proper 2 hour appointment slot as well. Easy peasy.
The systems in place in th UK are the most secure a meter network has ever been, in fact the layers of security in place actually make it difficult to add hardware to the network.
Each example you posted (two of are based on older smets1 hardware) require remote exicution of code via a word doc or website access. Who in their right mind would try to open such a document on a connected system?
SFAIK the latter 2021 example targetted the company end and worked from there. It won't be the home user opening the dodgy doc. It'll be billing/accounts/helpdesk etc.
Also the most secure the network has ever been was when the possibility was not there. ie without smart meters.
Basically what BigBoy said but also want to add that US and Uk smart meters are entirely different as is the systems in place to communicate with them.
TBH none of the above points are valid and the articles arent related to uk smart meters plus the issues are with the DCC being theoritically hacked. it's not as if someone is sat on the roadside hacking your meter. Also a lot fo points in some of those news articles are a load of rubbish, you cant tell what electronics someone has in their house from the energy they use.
To quote myself based on my comments the other day, I just read my renewal letter and it implicitly states if the DD is cancelled by me, this is seen as a cancellation of the contract and they have the right to move me onto a standard tariff.
Also hypothetically, an attacker is very unlikely to go after an individual. If someone is planning an attack it'll be large scale like an attack on the grid itself. Which means it'll be irrelevant whether you have a smart meter or not, your power will still be impacted.
The biggest problem with anything related to security, is that the majority of people won't understand attack vectors and how devices become vulnerable (not claiming i'm an expert either BTW), and they then read anything that suggests a device can be hacked and get completely the wrong end of the stick.
The biggest problem with anything related to security, is that the majority of people won't understand attack vectors and how devices become vulnerable (not claiming i'm an expert either BTW), and they then read anything that suggests a device can be hacked and get completely the wrong end of the stick.
Where are the specifics on the GCHQ concerns, that is what specifically have they said? Not what some random 'expert' is spouting.
It's a risk.
If the SVR goes up, and up and up could end up massively out of pocket.
It's a gamble for sure
Given that most fixed deals are well above the projected SVR in April (£1500-1600 typical), they are already baking in significant price rises and they are using the extra now to subsidise the lower prices they have offered in the past.
Pretty much all the consumer advice gurus that monitor this market agree on one thing at the moment. That is if you contract is coming to an end then go onto the capped SVR and see what happens in a few months.
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I was planning to switch to Octopus Go as I recently bought a Tesla Model 3. I've been waiting on my current supplier (Outfox the Market) sorting out my smart meters before switching (recently installed but not reporting). Octopus have now drastically bumped the prices of the Go tariffs up so bang goes that idea! Will just need to sit tight and hope my smart meters get sorted in a decent time so I can switch to an EV orientated tariff which can save me some money. Just had my Solar PV installed a couple of days ago, so unlike the Octopus Go/Smart meter bad-timing, this one is actually timed nicely. Except winter's coming!
Smart meters have to be some of the most unreliable products I've encountered. Probably not helped by installers that don't commission things properly and back-office admin that doesn't take place when it should. Too much scope for things to go wrong for it all to fall down.
Smart meters have to be some of the most unreliable products I've encountered. Probably not helped by installers that don't commission things properly and back-office admin that doesn't take place when it should. Too much scope for things to go wrong for it all to fall down.
My tariff will become a bad choice if energy costs go down in 6 months.
But if they do keep rising it will be a good Choice.
But I made sure I got one with no exit fees.
Also got 200 pounds cashback so if I need to change in 6 months that should have covered some of the loss.
That's my rationale anyway!
Its your usual government IT scheme. Private company profits funded by taxpayers and an absolute cluster****.
Will be interesting to see which suppliers have been running the riskiest outfits.
Dale Vince has said Ecotricity are 90% hedged for 12 months, as they are run 'properly', so are well set to weather the storm. Most of the newer entrants have not been hedging and have been essentially gambling on wholesale prices continuing to go down and are being found out.
What will be interesting is whether the government will protect a smaller well-run company like Ecotricity from the hit of the mutualisation costs. Essentially there are government enforced overheads levied on energy companies to pay for government green policies - they're payable according to market share, but surviving companies are also forced to cover for bankrupt ones. Potentially, with a huge exodus from the market, these could cause some significant problems.
Dale Vince has said Ecotricity are 90% hedged for 12 months, as they are run 'properly', so are well set to weather the storm. Most of the newer entrants have not been hedging and have been essentially gambling on wholesale prices continuing to go down and are being found out.
What will be interesting is whether the government will protect a smaller well-run company like Ecotricity from the hit of the mutualisation costs. Essentially there are government enforced overheads levied on energy companies to pay for government green policies - they're payable according to market share, but surviving companies are also forced to cover for bankrupt ones. Potentially, with a huge exodus from the market, these could cause some significant problems.
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A lot of the smaller suppliers are basically kept afloat by their customers credit balances, which is why they ask for payment in advance. They have very little starting capital themselves.
You mean the 3-5 yr old articles advising there may be a risk and that the security upgrade are why the roll out fo SMETS2 meters took so long. Point in case the GCHQ helped design the security for them..https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/information/the-smart-security-behind-the-gb-smart-metering-system
Do you want to keep going, cos im happy to keep debunking your comments.
