England Euro 2012 post mortem thread.
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pirlo is our scholes who is also a xavi. its just that scholes retired otherwise we'd have a player who could turn & pass as well.
problem is he's one of the few in recent times, maybe gascoine at his best.
the only other skilful players i can think of were hoddle and la tissier, but they were overlooked by the managers of the time, and would be considered luxury players.
with scholes/gascoine i think they had a little more to there game where they had a decent work rate as well.
Personally I find it amazing that coaches need to get paid millions just to tell their players the bleedin' obvious. Keep the ball, duh. It's hardly rocket science is it.
The way I see it is, if english football teams would just stop relying on foreign talent as their crutch, stop buying foreign players to prop them up and make them look good just because they have the money to do it, and invested 100% in english footballers, this country might start to get somewhere, however long that takes. When the England players come together as a national team, they're devoid of the torres, drogbas and renaldos of this world who normally give them the backbone, confidence and strengths of skill to score goals and win league matches and FA cups in their home teams. All of a sudden, they realise they've been found out and aren't as good as they think they are. It's like the foreign players are stabilisers on a bike. Take them away and you have to learn how to balance the bike, stay on it and then ride it confidently.
When England won the world cup in 1966, were there many foreign players in league teams of that era? I don't know, but I don't think there were. The only reason english football teams today are respected throughout the world is because really, they aren't english football teams but superstar teams made up of foreigners. Take those away and learn to stand on their own two feet instead of thinking "it's ok, our foreign superstar fabregas will get us to the final". It's commercial moneymaking garbage imo and it's no wonder to me that an all english team is and has been so sub standard for so long.
Just my two cents, correct me if you think I'm completely wrong.
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Scholes in a 4-4-2? really? could work, and work well, if we're well onto of the opposition but against the stronger teams its just too much work-rate for older legs I'm afraid.
Would love to have seen Scholes play again (even as a Liverpool fan) but it would require Roy to drop his draconian tactics, not going to happen.
Our league was primarily made up of English even into the 90's , what did we win between 66 and then?
Foreign players in our league is not the reason for our national failings
He's been excellent for Liverpool for almost two seasons. Still makes the odd mistake like any defender but he's far more positionally aware than he used to be and doesn't just rely on his pace. Unfortunately for him he's been labelled so will never get the recognition his defending now deserves from some idiots (Ollie Holt I'm looking at you pencil neck)/media sheep
Yep, I'm under the impression anyone who claims to have watched him in the past 2 years and called him rubbish/can't defend either doesn't watch is, is blind or simply stupid. Also seems people blame him for things before even being certain.
Also Gerrard has made the most tackles out of anyone at the Euros, and you had people on here saying Parker was doing his job
? 3 assists also and scored his penalty Agreed, but it was also said having players work with such talented foreigners would bring on our young players. Clearly that hasn't worked either
At last you have seen the main point in my original post , was to say Rooney has had a good tournie for England.
My point abut Rooney getting sent was only brought up as he was playing well in that competition as well
I'll leave it there with you tummy as you are a football purist
Why did you get your knickers in a twist over my reply?
Ronaldo had nothing to do with Rooney getting sent off, It's a phrase that really annoys me. Rooney got himself sent off, through his own stupidity not because Ronaldo winked at his own bench.
I didn't say Rooney had never played well for England, it was my first comment on him at this competition.
He's been excellent for Liverpool for almost two seasons. Still makes the odd mistake like any defender but he's far more positionally aware than he used to be and doesn't just rely on his pace. Unfortunately for him he's been labelled so will never get the recognition his defending now deserves from some idiots (Ollie Holt I'm looking at you pencil neck)/media sheep
I don't think he was the standout defender this compeition for England, I was personally really impressed with Lescott, but heigh hoe.
Johnson's improved, he still gets caught out positionally far too often, saying that he's improved his recovery and has cleaned up after several Terry errors this time round.
the thing is that lescott didn't get caught out that much if at all during the euro's so didn't get any attention, johnson on the other hand was caught out of position and made some saving last ditch tackles so was highlighted more than lescott.
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Personally I find it amazing that coaches need to get paid millions just to tell their players the bleedin' obvious. Keep the ball, duh. It's hardly rocket science is it.
The way I see it is, if english football teams would just stop relying on foreign talent as their crutch, stop buying foreign players to prop them up and make them look good just because they have the money to do it, and invested 100% in english footballers, this country might start to get somewhere, however long that takes. When the England players come together as a national team, they're devoid of the torres, drogbas and renaldos of this world who normally give them the backbone, confidence and strengths of skill to score goals and win league matches and FA cups in their home teams. All of a sudden, they realise they've been found out and aren't as good as they think they are. It's like the foreign players are stabilisers on a bike. Take them away and you have to learn how to balance the bike, stay on it and then ride it confidently.
When England won the world cup in 1966, were there many foreign players in league teams of that era? I don't know, but I don't think there were. The only reason english football teams today are respected throughout the world is because really, they aren't english football teams but superstar teams made up of foreigners. Take those away and learn to stand on their own two feet instead of thinking "it's ok, our foreign superstar fabregas will get us to the final". It's commercial moneymaking garbage imo and it's no wonder to me that an all english team is and has been so sub standard for so long.
Just my two cents, correct me if you think I'm completely wrong.
Only city can afford english players.
who is there right mind will offer 20m/30m for a unproven british player?
that is why many buy foreign players because they are far cheaper and better then the british alternative.
Until the price of british players goes down, most wont get a look at
awwwww purdy
.to a certain extent i can understand the high prices for the home grown players, the lower league teams spend a fair bit of there budget training/developing the youngsters from an early age, as they can't afford to spend a lot on players.
the bigger clubs come along and try to poach them once they've been trained up and try to nick them for relatively little, and they don't have to spend money developing them.
it's not like the top teams don't know the requirements for home grown players and really should develop there own.
you say that as though its easy.
Yes occasionally you come across a generation of Beckham/Scholes/Neville (s), Giggs etc - but thats once in a lifetime stuff, remember we are talking world beaters
Any club would be happy to discover the 2020 (lets say) Gascoigne in their ranks as a 12 -year old or whatever, but out of the thousands that apply for every youth academy there is , maybe one or two (if you are lucky) will even get to EPL standard of consistancy, let alone become world-beaters
There is nothing but luck that that one player in 20/30 years who will become that good will even be visible to a manager/scout just as they blossom as a player.
Its a needle in a haystack job, even looking at the incredible players seeemingly growing on tress in Spain / Germany right now
Debatable. Alan Shearer just this moment said basically what I was saying. He's extremely disappointed with england. He said english football is only great entertainment to the world because it's so full of foreigners.
not at all, i just think more effort should be made to train there own rather than going around other clubs.
i think thats more down to us thinking that the english players are better cos of the inclusions of the foreign players technique and skills, when we see them for england they dont have the players from there club teams making the passes for them, covering there mistakes or making space to give them an easy pass etc
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Why England were so poor at Euro 2012. These lads tell the truth unlike the BBC/ITV. Shearer, Hansen and co wouldn't have the balls to say this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvxoBYs2EwY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvxoBYs2EwY
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The BBC and ITV are leagues ahead of that Muppet Show. Anything involving Dunphy, who should be hung, drawn and quartered then beaten, shot and raped by a Rhino, isn't worth anyone's time.