England Euro 2012 post mortem thread.

Tekgun · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:10

Someone tell me why Young stayed on the pitch while Wellbeck and Milner were subbed, does the England manger job come with free **** in the eyes?

bloodiedathame · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:10

OldCoals said:
Do you go forward by looking at past successes?

It's not about past and future, they are still good players so deserve a place. Experience does count for a lot too.

McBain · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:11

Tom84 said:
I don't think you can judge where England finished as a barometer of how well they did in the tournament. They were average against France, average against Sweeden, rubbish against Ukraine and rubbish tonight against Italy. There were teams that performed better that failed to make it out of the group stage!!

Agreed with this. Problem is people seem to be happy/proud with how we've performed ... I don't understand it, we've been average at best and woeful at worst.

But at least we battled hard though right?! :confused:

aaron333 · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:12

Tom84 said:
I don't think you can judge where England finished as a barometer of how well they did in the tournament. They were average against France, average against Sweeden, rubbish against Ukraine and rubbish tonight against Italy. There were teams that performed better that failed to make it out of the group stage!!

:S

I'd say it was the best way to judge a team at a tournament personally..

Danthus · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:13

bloodiedathame said:
It's not about past and future, they are still good players so deserve a place. Experience does count for a lot too.

Terry and Gerrard will both be 33 at the next World cup.

Tom84 · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:14

aaron333 said:
:S

I'd say it was the best way to judge a team at a tournament personally..

So when Greece won Euro 2004 they did it by being the best team in the tournament?

Of course they didn't. England could have gone through tonight and it still wouldn't of changed the fact that they were ****. Extremely lucky but ultimately ****.

muon · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:15

aaron333 said:
:S

I'd say it was the best way to judge a team at a tournament personally..

Not if you are looking for progress, so that one day England might actually stand a good chance of winning the tournament.

Finishing position is ok, but no one really cares about a QF finish.

Tom84 said:
So when Greece won Euro 2004 they did it by being the best team in the tournament?

Of course they didn't. England could have gone through tonight and it still wouldn't of changed the fact that they were ****. Extremely lucky but ultimately ****.

I don't want to be hoping for that in 2 years time. Nothing England have shown so far suggest we won;t be trying to a Greece then as well.

One More Solo · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:15

BaZ87 said:
As Pigeon says, Wilshere yes but the other 2 have a hell of a lot to prove.

They all have a lot to prove, it's funny how Wilshere seems to have gotten exponentially better since being injured.

BaZ87 · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:15

Is it too early to sack Hodgson?

aaron333 · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:16

Tom84 said:
So when Greece won Euro 2004 they did it by being the best team in the tournament?

Of course they didn't. England could have gone through tonight and it still wouldn't of changed the fact that they were ****. Extremely lucky but ultimately ****.

Except that wasn't your point. Your point was that you can't base how well we did at at a tournament by how far we go.

Nate75 · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:17

keep the ball a bit!

nicktay2605 · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:17

McBain said:
Agreed with this. Problem is people seem to be happy/proud with how we've performed ... I don't understand it, we've been average at best and woeful at worst.

But at least we battled hard though right?!

Precisely, it shows you how wrong the priorities are for some people. Effort and determination are great assets to have, but nowhere near as important as skill and technique. It's no coincidence that English club football improved no end with the introduction of talented and technical foreign players. English players have lots of spirit and fire, but lack technical ability.

muon · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:17

BaZ87 said:
Is it too early to sack Hodgson?

No one has called for anything of the like.

BaZ87 · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:18

One More Solo said:
They all have a lot to prove, it's funny how Wilshere seems to have gotten exponentially better since being injured.

Not at all. Wilshere's no (proven) world beater but at least he's played a fair bit of football on a regular basis for Arsenal. Ox and Cleverly on the other hand have barely played a handful of games for Arsenal and Utd, and you couldn't say with any certainty that either would play regularly next season either.

Dabbles · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:19

bloodiedathame said:
Two of the most outstanding players on the field match after match?

Yeah, but in 2 years they'll be 'dead' [in football terms]!!

muon · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:19

Who knows what Wilshere will be like after a 12 month break. But I'm hoping he opens the season well and he can be quickly picked up by England.

Tom84 · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:19

aaron333 said:
Except that wasn't your point. Your point was that you can't base how well we did at at a tournament by how far we go.

Of course that was my point. England could have done a Greece in this tournament and won the whole thing, it wouldn't of changed the fact that 4 of the games along the way they played **** and didn't actually deserve to win those games.

BaZ87 · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:20

anyon said:
Who knows what Wilshere will be like after a 12 month break.

The style of player he is, the injury isn't as likely to have as big an effect on his game as it would a traditional British style player.

The Chemist · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:21

I think England put a huge attacking burden on Wayne Rooney and unfortunately he was not able to deliver.

pingwing · 24 Jun 2012 at 23:22

We're close to something right, stop messing about with Rooney and get a decent ball winning midfielder in on the job an we might actually get somewhere.

Pipe dream though as Rooney is "world class"