England Squad Announced

For a start, and nothing to do with age, I wouldn't have expected to see Barry, Green, Carson, Cole, Downing, Walcott or Bent. Even Rooney, what's the point of having him in the squad when chances are by the time he's available we'll already be out of the Euro's.

Frazier-Campbell's played what, twice? since coming back from injury, Gerrards had a few more, yet there is no space for the Swansea guys, Sinclair, Dyer, to name a few, who have been performing all season.
 
drunkenmaster;21326920 Young has no place in the team? He's been BY FAR England's best player since he became first team over a year ago said:
I'm talking club form. Otherwise you might as well pick Owen after all he's our top goalscorer :p

Young has done little for me this season after an early flourish. I haven't looked up the players and games he played for England and who was dropped or injured to make his england stats look better than they would be.
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Personally, don't think Dawson's anywhere near international class, unless he's got a distant Irish relative.

It's an indictment of the state of English football that his name is appearing on this thread.
 
sandy10 said:
Personally, don't think Dawson's anywhere near international class, unless he's got a distant Irish relative.

It's an indictment of the state of English football that his name is appearing on this thread.
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There is a lack of star quality in between the experienced centre backs (Terry, Ferdinand, King) and the younger ones (Smalling, Jones, Caulker). Lescott, Cahill, Dawson they're all much of a muchness but if Cahill and Lescott are getting in the squad then there's no reason why Dawson shouldn't as well (especially when imo he's better than Cahill & Lescott). I'll be honest I thought Dawson was injured for some reason which is why I didn't include him in my squad in the other thread.
 
 
You're getting very, very boring. Shut up about it. If you don't like my opinions gloss over them. I don't point out that you constantly spout crap, I just gloss over it ;)
 
Tom84 said:
There is a lack of star quality in between the experienced centre backs (Terry, Ferdinand, King) and the younger ones (Smalling, Jones, Caulker). Lescott, Cahill, Dawson they're all much of a muchness but if Cahill and Lescott are getting in the squad then there's no reason why Dawson shouldn't as well (especially when imo he's better than Cahill & Lescott). I'll be honest I thought Dawson was injured for some reason which is why I didn't include him in my squad in the other thread.
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To be honest, we don't presently have ANY star quality centre backs.

Ferdinand has lost his pace and fitness levels, Terry was always a 100% commitment player but again, age has caught up with him, and King, however well he plays, cannot be carried to play 1 game in 3.

The likes of Lescott, Jagielka, Cahill, Dawson are all honest enough without having any real quality, and would all be prone to making bad errors of judgement or similar. I'm glad Cahill is being found out for what he is - a committed, but clumsy player. Jones and Smalling especially are promising, but should be nowhere near consideration for the England side at present.

If only we had someone with a bit of calm and assurance on the ball to pass out from the back, or control the line.

Without that, you either give Terry and Ferdinand one last hurrah at Euro 2012, or bite the bullet and go for the best of the rest in Lescott / Jaglielka or Cahill.
 
Moses said:
Dawson, on the other hand, has hardly been playing. Once he starts playing a decent number of games, I may reconsider.
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he ballsed up and got injured the last england game he played but he is more than worthy of being in the squad. his distribution is excellent but i'm not blinkered to the fact he is not faultless, a lot depends on who is next to him. but tbh, if it was a choice (from a spurs pov) between him and kaboul next to king, i'd choose kaboul as he is better in the air and stronger but dawson as an englishman, should be in the squad, not that he'd probably get a game so it's all a bit irrelevant.
 
If you're going to have a striker as an option to run in behind the opponents, then you'd look at Sturridge, Welbeck, Defoe, Agbonlahor and seemingly Campbell - all not too dissimilar, but Defoe is eons ahead in terms of his finishing ability. I wouldn't trust any of the others in a last minute one-on-one to keep us in a game.

To that end, I'd take Rooney, Bent, Defoe and A N Other - perhaps a wild-card who could offer something different for the last 10 mins of a game.
 
Nate75 said:
Looking forward to seeing Bent play off Rooney (and visa vera), got to be some goals there.
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but it wont happen. what will happen is we will get over run in midfield and rooney will have to drop deeper and deeper to get the ball (part frustration part because he can) and that will leave us with one striker up front if we win the ball back. defoe is far better equipped than campbell or welbeck to handle this.
 
Gilly said:
Pick an XI more likely to win then (from that squad, so you can't pick rubbish like Dawson).
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Only just seen this reply (ironic seeing as you claim to gloss over what I say) alas from the squad announced...

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Richards--Smalling--Jones--Cole
---Gerrard--Parker--Milner---
Sutrridge---Rooney---Young/Johnson

Alas my point was we both know what you were doing, deliberately ignoring as many Man Utd players as possible. 3 centre backs have been picked in the squad, 2 of them play for Man Utd (meaning there's a good chance at least one of them will play) yet you pick the other one and a RB :rolleyes:

cm1179 said:
can you tell me how welbeck and campbell are better than defoe. what are you basing this on?
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Defoe is a goal poacher and not a great one at that (not compared to someone like Bent anyway). I would have thought for a Spurs fan it would be more obvious that to anyone else that Defoe is seriously limited hence why he couldn't get a game when you had Keane & Berbatov and why he cant get a game now over the likes of Crouch (last season) and Adbebayor. Welbeck on the other hand is currently first choice at United, and has a much better all round game (link up ability, versatility should the formation change mid game etc etc)

For the record as I said in the other thread Welbeck should only even be considered if England persist with 4-4-2. If they go 4-3-3 then there's no place for him and it should be Rooney up top on his own (Bent when Rooney's not around) with Sturridge flanking him on one side and another on the opposite side.

EDIT: If you've got 4 strikers and one of them is Rooney and another is Bent then I see no need for Defoe as well. Players like Welbeck and Sturridge though add something different to the mix
 
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Tom84 said:
Only just seen this reply (ironic seeing as you claim to gloss over what I say) alas from the squad announced...

---------------Hart---------------
Richards--Smalling--Jones--Cole
---Gerrard--Parker--Milner---
Sutrridge---Rooney---Young/Johnson

Alas my point was we both know what you were doing, deliberately ignoring as many Man Utd players as possible. 3 centre backs have been picked in the squad, 2 of them play for Man Utd (meaning there's a good chance at least one of them will play) yet you pick the other one and a RB :rolleyes:



Defoe is a goal poacher and not a great one at that (not compared to someone like Bent anyway). I would have thought for a Spurs fan it would be more obvious that to anyone else that Defoe is seriously limited hence why he couldn't get a game when you had Keane & Berbatov and why he cant get a game now over the likes of Crouch (last season) and Adbebayor. Welbeck on the other hand is currently first choice at United, and has a much better all round game (link up ability, versatility should the formation change mid game etc etc)

For the record as I said in the other thread Welbeck should only even be considered if England persist with 4-4-2. If they go 4-3-3 then there's no place for him and it should be Rooney up top on his own (Bent when Rooney's not around) with Sturridge flanking him on one side and another on the opposite side.
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jones and smalling as central defence? i know you're a united fan but both of these players have had some shockers.

defoe is incredible at holding the ball up and is not just a poacher (look at his goal against city, made it look quite easy but it wasn't) rooney makes welbeck look a good player, welbeck has done nothing when on his own. adebayor is a different player to defoe and harry seems to favour him but defoe will always always get you a goal. his england record shows this, same as crouch.
 
cm1179 said:
jones and smalling as central defence? i know you're a united fan but both of these players have had some shockers.

defoe is incredible at holding the ball up and is not just a poacher (look at his goal against city, made it look quite easy but it wasn't) rooney makes welbeck look a good player, welbeck has done nothing when on his own. adebayor is a different player to defoe and harry seems to favour him but defoe will always always get you a goal. his england record shows this, same as crouch.
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I only went with Smalling & Jones because Pearce went with that centre back partnership in the under 21's and like I said seeing as only 3 centre backs have been picked it's not totally out of the question they'll both play. For the record Smalling hasn't had any shockers that I can recall, the odd mistake/slip maybe but that's to be expected of any young defender.

As for Defoe he's not incredible at holding the ball up at all (again not compared with someone like Bent who's perfectly suited to playing up on his own) and you mention Defoe's goal against City that was his first goal against anyone of note for how many years? He has a dreadful record against all the top sides in recent years. As for Welbeck I'm not sure how Rooney is making him look good when Rooney has no effect on the runs he makes, the work rate he does over 90 minutes or his ability to run at players and take them on. He's not world class of course he's not but he's a very promising young player who's currently got a much more rounded game than someone like Defoe.
 
Tom84 said:
I only went with Smalling & Jones because Pearce went with that centre back partnership in the under 21's and like I said seeing as only 3 centre backs have been picked it's not totally out of the question they'll both play. For the record Smalling hasn't had any shockers that I can recall, the odd mistake/slip maybe but that's to be expected of any young defender.

As for Defoe he's not incredible at holding the ball up at all (again not compared with someone like Bent who's perfectly suited to playing up on his own) and you mention Defoe's goal against City that was his first goal against anyone of note for how many years? He has a dreadful record against all the top sides in recent years. As for Welbeck I'm not sure how Rooney is making him look good when Rooney has no effect on the runs he makes, the work rate he does over 90 minutes or his ability to run at players and take them on. He's not world class of course he's not but he's a very promising young player who's currently got a much more rounded game than someone like Defoe.
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As a Villa fan, have to disagree on Bent - he's looked lost when he's been up on his own this season - he thrived on being part of a top 3 with Young and Downing last term, and he seemed to come back to life a bit when playing with Keane tucked in behind.
 
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