England warm up games **Spoilers**

gerrard has to be one of the most two faced players around. that time he helped get lee bowyer sent off was shocking, all bowyer did was a strong fair tackle the type gerrard does week in week out.
 
What ****d me off was Wrighty's comments:

"Other teams will do it against us, so why don't we? It will happen to us again, so we should," he said during the BBC's Match of The Day coverage.

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What a tool, is that the name of the game? drop to a low like 'other teams'?
 
It all depends what the ref actually gave the pen for.He might/should have seen that Gerrard wasn't touched but could still have given the pen for the two footed studs up challenge.Later on the ref stuck by the letter of the law and booked Campbell for a tackle from behind even tho he clearly and pretty cleanly took the ball.I wont defend gerrard for diving tho,if it was touch and go this time,there are plenty of times in the past that he has done it
 
UKflames said:
Can someone please tell me what Radio 1 were on about this morning when they said that "Carragher was like a fish out of water playing in midfield"? :confused:
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Yeah, its because he didn't know what he was doing and looked uncomfortable on the ball. He was out of position and it was very easy to see that he was.

Thats what the term fish out of water means :)
Burned_Alive said:
Swings and roundabouts, give the boy some credit.
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Credit?

I'll like the professional game a lot less when people start getting credit for diving.
Nedved11 said:
What ****d me off was Wrighty's comments:

"Other teams will do it against us, so why don't we? It will happen to us again, so we should," he said during the BBC's Match of The Day coverage.
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Although I disagree with diving, you can see what he's saying. When we come up against Argies, Iti's, Brazilians, they've made careers out of diving and going down easily.
 
Gilly said:
Thats what the term fish out of water means :)
Credit?

I'll like the professional game a lot less when people start getting credit for diving.
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Nah, i didnt mean credit for the dive. For his goal and how well he played APART from the dive.

As i said, there were quite a few other players that went down like a sack of crap and no one mentions them because they didnt win a penalty from it.
 
Gilly said:
Although I disagree with diving, you can see what he's saying. When we come up against Argies, Iti's, Brazilians, they've made careers out of diving and going down easily.
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That reputation has been somewhat exaggerated by the English. Other countries do not show the same consensus as much as how England blame others on their failures. Take it on the chin and forget about it, you don’t see the Ger's so bitter about their robbery in 66' ;)
 
Nedved11 said:
That reputation has been somewhat exaggerated by the English.
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No it hasn't, its just been compared to the English, who historically don't dive.

Nedved11 said:
Other countries do not show the same consensus as much as how England blame others on their failures.
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That sentence doesn't make sense, but I'll answer from an assumption of what its supposed to be about.

Other countries cheat more...
 
Gilly said:
That sentence doesn't make sense, but I'll answer from an assumption of what its supposed to be about.

Other countries cheat more...
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Maybe that wasn’t phrased correctly. What i meant was that not all countries think the same about say the Italians or Argies than England do. England has more 'hate' for these countries than say a country like Portugal. The fact that England may have been cheated by one of these teams is irrelevant. England's views on cheats and the world views are totally different. The rest of the world will look at the bigger picture, England will look as far as the games they had been cheated' in.
 
Nedved11 said:
Maybe that wasn’t phrased correctly. What i meant was that not all countries think the same about say the Italians or Argies than England do. England has more 'hate' for these countries than say a country like Portugal. The fact that England may have been cheated by one of these teams is irrelevant. England's views on cheats and the world views are totally different. The rest of the world will look at the bigger picture, England will look as far as the games they had been cheated' in.
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Of course they will :/

Portugal aren't going to hate Argentina and Maradona as much as England do for cheating against them are they? Because it meant less to them. Besides, Portugal have more than their fair share of cheats too.

Shall we all just start stating the obvious? :confused:
 
Gilly said:
Of course they will :/

Portugal aren't going to hate Argentina and Maradona as much as England do for cheating against them are they? Because it meant less to them. Besides, Portugal have more than their fair share of cheats too.

Shall we all just start stating the obvious? :confused:
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It’s the narrow mindedness of the English i feel is giving some of these countries an even worse rep...

Maybe because you are a football fan that you see beyond the foul play but to the rest of the common public who enjoy a good game and a beer are not going to see through that. The fact that Maradona stopped them winning the world cup ( ;) ) is enough to call all Argies slags and cheats.
 
I think we struggle because not only are we a average footballing side, we dont cheat that much either.

I think we should be throwing ourselves all over the place to be honest, just like everyone else, at least then we will be competing on a more level playing field.
 
Its because of one single reason.

Historically England haven't cheated.

Other nations (namely the argies and the iti's tbh) have done.

Because England haven't, its a massive difference. If England did then they'd have no right to complain. This is one reason I don't want them to start now.
 
I think the problem FIFA/UEFA/FA/whoever have in clamping down on diving is that a lot of the time when you see a guy about to clatter you the immediate reaction is literally to dive out of the way which can sometimes look quite theatrical when the motivation is solely self-preservation :p That said some dives are pathetic, although the way in which shirt-tugging and holding (anoth pet peeve) seems to be condoned at all levels makes the ref's and player's job much harder in that unless a player goes down after a tug it's highly unlikely (unless totally blatant) that the ref will give a free-kick.

What also really annoys me is watching players writhe around and roll 37 times in apparent absolute agony after diving or getting a little nudge, which is just blatant faking and should be clamped down upon, although I'm not sure how that could work.

All in all it would be great if the game was cleaned up, but not really sure how it could practically be done solely from the top-down, the impetus has to come from the players, the managers and the authorities if it's going to happen.
 
Rich_L said:
What also really annoys me is watching players writhe around and roll 37 times in apparent absolute agony after diving or getting a little nudge, which is just blatant faking and should be clamped down upon, although I'm not sure how that could work.
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Yes, that is without a doubt the most annoying thing in football.
Its the reason that I dislike Drogba and Robben etc so much.

I would love to see this clamped down on. Its worse than diving imo
 
georges said:
That would be great. That way, players couldn't offend when the ref isn't watching and get away with it.

This needs to be done.
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would not work for the most important game though... the world cup final
 
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