English & CL Football [6th - 10th Mar 2010] **spoilers**
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You're either trying to be ironic or just incredibly stupid
There's a difference between two teams who have been top all season beating you home and away (that's 4 defeats in total) in a very convincing style and one team getting 1 win like Burnley did - any team can beat anyone in the Premiership that has been proven time and time again but those freak results are completely different than 2 teams strolling to victory over a team that people are talking up as potential champions
But hey if I have to explain that to you I'll be here all day having to explain other things as well
Winning the league isn't about beating your tital rivals? 
Winning the league is about beating every other side in the league.
Manchester United were the best team last season, the table doesn't lie.
A few seasons ago, Chelsea were the best team.
Winning the league is about beating every other side in the league.
Manchester United were the best team last season, the table doesn't lie.
A few seasons ago, Chelsea were the best team.
Also, one of the games vs Man Utd was a totally even game, granted at the Emirates Man Utd looked stronger. Arsenal didn't play well that day and had no striker but still wasted a couple of open nets themselves.
English football fans have definitely over exaggerated the gap between Man Utd/Chelsea and Arsenal. I think the tactical approaches and the sheer ruthlessness of Man Utd/Chelsea (Rooney/Drogba specifically, no mercy) to those games were the difference, it wasn't all about the talent of the teams. The teams are very close, as the table suggests, but right now Man Utd and Chelsea have something Arsenal don't. I think it says something that Rooney and Drogba basically were the difference, and Arsenal don't have that player. Don't under-estimate Arsenal, for many, many weeks this season they've played excellently and deserve to be up in the mix!
English football fans have definitely over exaggerated the gap between Man Utd/Chelsea and Arsenal. I think the tactical approaches and the sheer ruthlessness of Man Utd/Chelsea (Rooney/Drogba specifically, no mercy) to those games were the difference, it wasn't all about the talent of the teams. The teams are very close, as the table suggests, but right now Man Utd and Chelsea have something Arsenal don't. I think it says something that Rooney and Drogba basically were the difference, and Arsenal don't have that player. Don't under-estimate Arsenal, for many, many weeks this season they've played excellently and deserve to be up in the mix!
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For many many weeks because you've been playing teams from the lower part of the table
Take Man Utd out of the equation for a minute and lets just concentrate on Chelsea because you can say what you want about the games between United and Arsenal but you didn't stand a chance against Chelsea, you never looked like scoring at home and never looked like scoring away yet they had no problems ripping you apart time and time again scoring 5 goals in the process
I'm not knocking Arsenal completely, they've shown great character to be written out of the title picture on more than one occasion this season only to get themselves right back into the mix but the fundamental thing is whilst United and Chelsea have been guilty of dropping points to teams they shouldn't Arsenal simply haven't been good enough against the teams that they're competing against for major honours and that's why IMO if they win the title over us or Chelsea they wont deserve it
Winning the league isn't about beating the other teams in the running for the title, it's about being the best over the course of the season.
You're right, if the season was 4 games long, just playing United and Chelsea. Arsenal wouldn't win, but it's not about that.
What Tummy says basically, if the league title consisted of Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal then Arsenal wouldn't win and rightly so because they've not looked so hot in those games. The league has 20 teams in it though and the games against Man Utd are worth exactly the same as those against Portsmouth.
Any game can be hard
Any game can be hard
When it's as tight at the top it is about that IMO
Sure if Arsenal were 10 points clear of United and Chelsea yet we'd both beaten them home and away you'd have a point but if Arsenal win the title by 2 or 3 points this season all because rather than having play Liverpool or Man Utd away Arsenal have trips to Hull and Wigan then no they dont deserve it..... those will argue that everyone has to play everyone twice but is it not fortunate/lucky that Arsenal got to play Everton away on the first day or the season when they had all kinds of off the field problems as oppose to United and Chelsea having to play them when they're bang in form? And if they are winning the title due to fortune/luck then how are they deserving of it?
Like I said all the above would not be relevant if they were marching away with it but it's that tight at the top it's not as cut and dried as whoever has the most points deserves to win it because if it ends up that Arsenal win the title from Chelsea with 1 game in Chelsea's run in being the difference when they've been so superior to Arsenal in both the games they've played against them as well as over the entire season then Arsenal will have done it down to fortune not because they've been the best
I'd argue that the league title is about being the best team in the league on that particular season
Arsenal aren't the best team in the league
It'd maybe be easy to take if Man Utd had been good this season but they really haven't (besides Rooney and Evra, with Valencia having a few good games too). Chelsea have had good spells but also had several weeks where they've looked really bland and quite frankly, rubbish.
All 3 teams have had great weeks and some poor weeks (again, as the table will clearly say!, it's so incredibly close). I really don't know how you can say that with any authority. The teams are even, two have world class strikers and one doesn't and has had to completely adapt their game to get around this.
All 3 teams have had great weeks and some poor weeks (again, as the table will clearly say!, it's so incredibly close). I really don't know how you can say that with any authority. The teams are even, two have world class strikers and one doesn't and has had to completely adapt their game to get around this.
Neither are Chelski or Man Utd by your logic...seriously give it up fella...we see what your trying to say but your logic is flawed at best.
Seems to me that you think the team to beat is Utd...its not...its about beating the other 19/20 teams in the league.
If you collect the most points over the course of the season, you are the deserved winners of the title - therefore the best team in the league.
I understand what you're saying regarding fixtures, etc. But at the end of the day everyone has had to play everyone. You argue that Arsenal got to play Everton when they were out of form, but Arsenal fans could argue they had to play Man Utd and Chelsea when they were in form.
It's swings and roundabouts mate.
I understand what you're saying regarding fixtures, etc. But at the end of the day everyone has had to play everyone. You argue that Arsenal got to play Everton when they were out of form, but Arsenal fans could argue they had to play Man Utd and Chelsea when they were in form.
It's swings and roundabouts mate.
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IF they were the BEST team who could beat ANYONE then they would have beat the other teams and got the points to win the league.
The league table doesnt lie. Whoever finsihes top is the best team that season. IF Portsmouth(Or another low team that actually beat them
) beat chelski this year. Does that mean they are the best team if Chelski win the title? Must be by that logic 
Your arguement is just silly. Its quite a simple contest. Everyone plays eachother twice and at the end of the season whoever has the most pts is the best team that season.
I would have to check the FIFA rules but I dont think you get additional pts for beating your rivals. Or for just having the best team on paper
If it was just on potential, Arsenal would have won it for the past few years
Just plain bitterness. Best part of this is that Arsenal havent even won it and you making excuses lol
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It does feel nice to see Man Utd fans slightly worried about Arsenal, means that progress is definitely being made
I think if we dont agree with him soon he is going to get his dad to beat up our dad
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I don't agree with that. At the moment you could argue that Man Utd are the best in the league, they're the current champions and also top of the league at the moment, that makes them statistically speaking, the best. Arsenal wouldn't need to beat the best team twice to win the league but if they did win the league that would make them the best team, statistically speaking again, of course.
We could still win this thing despite losing out to Utd and Chelsea in our games against them. As Tummy said it's not who can beat the other 3 of the top four, it's about who is consistent throughout the season.
Personally I would say that Utd are the best for some years to come - simply from how many titles we have won in the past 10
(ie one season win could be a bit of a fluke - ie Blackburn, but winning a number of times over one or two decades shows real top consistancy) even if Arsenal and Chelsea have also won a few in that time also
/dons protective hat before running from thread
(ie one season win could be a bit of a fluke - ie Blackburn, but winning a number of times over one or two decades shows real top consistancy) even if Arsenal and Chelsea have also won a few in that time also
/dons protective hat before running from thread
Also, the point about playing Everton when they were out of form could be applied to when Arsenal played Man Utd when they hit form so by using consistency we can write that game off because it's not fair and the timing is all wrong?!?!
Very flawed approach. Much easier to say the team who wins the most points is the one who is the best!
Very flawed approach. Much easier to say the team who wins the most points is the one who is the best!
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Unless the team that finishes 2nd had points deducted to hand the league title to the winners....... 