English League Cup round 4 [26-27 October] **Spoilers!**

We had a fair bit more possession, much more meaningful possession and more shots on target. I think you'd be hard pushed to say that deserved a draw.

Park finished very well then, of course he missed and absolute sitter 5 mins earlier and his control and passing was pretty poor throughout.

Macheda was barely in the game, he had two chances, one straight at the keeper and the other one he spooned over the bar. I don't blame him really, very few strikers could play Fergie's one striker tactic, they're just so isolated.

Fabio made several brilliant challenges, one sliding tackle just before the goal to stop Hunt almost certainly scoring, he wasn't bad going forward either.


So to sum up....I don't think you really watched the game.
 
Shamikebab said:
We had a fair bit more possession, much more meaningful possession and more shots on target. I think you'd be hard pushed to say that deserved a draw.
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You had more possession sure. But you were a long way from being "dominant". Wolves had just as many clear cut chances, and had some of them (like Hunt) done better with their shots, they could have won too.

Park finished very well then, of course he missed and absolute sitter 5 mins earlier and his control and passing was pretty poor throughout.
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His control and passing was fine. Sure he didn't create much, but that's not the kind of player. If you want someone to come on, be solid an relianble, and run his heart out, he's your man. So he missed one chance, the goal he did score evened that out.

Macheda was barely in the game, he had two chances, one straight at the keeper and the other one he spooned over the bar. I don't blame him really, very few strikers could play Fergie's one striker tactic, they're just so isolated.
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So even you say he was isolated and thus barely saw the ball (which I agree with), and yet he's useless for not doing enough with the few half-chances he did get?

Fabio made several brilliant challenges, one sliding tackle just before the goal to stop Hunt almost certainly scoring, he wasn't bad going forward either.
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Stopped a goal, did little else. I must have been missing all these foraging runs down the left side, because I seem to remember nearly all your attacks going nowhere in the first half, and being down the right when they did.

So to sum up....I don't think you really watched the game.
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Ahh you got me. I have nothing better to do than pretend I watched a match involving two teams I don't care about on the internet in order to wind you up. That, or I just think you were wrong. I can't remember which.

I didn't set out to pick on you, it just struck me that you were singling out the likes of Park and Macheda for blame, when I thought you poor performance was much more to do with the way Bebe kept mixing good touch with terrible, Obertan seemed unable to comprehend that he had been asked to play up front instead of "in Bebe's way on the right", Carrick did next to nothing to impose himself, and Gibson, as Robbo said, has yet to show me that he has anything other than a cracking shot, and you generally had next to no creativity anywhere.
 
Weebull said:
His control and passing was fine. Sure he didn't create much, but that's not the kind of player. If you want someone to come on, be solid an relianble, and run his heart out, he's your man. So he missed one chance, the goal he did score evened that out.
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Ah but Fergie doesn't play him like that any more, now he's being played as the creative link player surely we have to judge him on that? And at that he is terrible. He's a great player if you want someone to nullify an opposing player and his work rate is pretty much top.

Weebull said:
So even you say he was isolated and thus barely saw the ball (which I agree with), and yet he's useless for not doing enough with the few half-chances he did get?
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I already said he was going to be isolated before and during the game, but that still doesn't mean he shouldn't have done better with that chance (I can't remember how good the earlier one was), his progress seems to have just stalled completely, his scoring record for us is pretty abysmal, 3 goals in 22 games....and 2 of those were in his first 2 matches.

Weebull said:
Stopped a goal, did little else. I must have been missing all these foraging runs down the left side, because I seem to remember nearly all your attacks going nowhere in the first half, and being down the right when they did.
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Would that be because he had the useless Park ahead of him? Big shock that the left flank wasn't as effective, would have been better sticking Park at left back and having Fabio as a winger.
 
Shamikebab said:
Ah but Fergie doesn't play him like that any more, now he's being played as the creative link player surely we have to judge him on that? And at that he is terrible. He's a great player if you want someone to nullify an opposing player and his work rate is pretty much top.



I already said he was going to be isolated before and during the game, but that still doesn't mean he shouldn't have done better with that chance (I can't remember how good the earlier one was), his progress seems to have just stalled completely, his scoring record for us is pretty abysmal, 3 goals in 22 games....and 2 of those were in his first 2 matches.



Would that be because he had the useless Park ahead of him? Big shock that the left flank wasn't as effective, would have been better sticking Park at left back and having Fabio as a winger.
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Its worth noting that a lot of youngsters, especially strikers where its most obvious when its not working, have a problem in that when they first start making appearances, its normally off the back of playing competitive(albeit reserve and less good quality) games on a weekly basis.

Someone who plays every reserve game for 6 months, after several years doing the same elsewhere, can often look sharp and match fit in their first games when they move up. But then you spend the next 2 years not playing in reserve games incase you're needed in the first team, so you actually end up playing a lot less and lose a lot of momentum in progressing.

I would say that was pretty obvious in other situations aswell, Vela/Eduardo came off years playing first team, looked fantastic in their first preseasons, but were barely played and 6 months later looked a patch of the player we first saw join the club.

Eduardo when he finally started playing still looked pretty good because older players are more used to injuries, time out not playing and having to play "cold" without form. Vela hasn't really faced that before and didn't manage to play at the same level, though now he's starting to play better on his rare appearances. So I wouldn't count out Macheda yet, lots of players go through that stage of playing constantly to riding the bench. Its hurt Macheda even more as Utd have strikers out injured a lot. You might normally see him drafted in for a few games, then back in the reserves, but he rides the bench as Owen is so frequently injured and you don't have a lot of depth upfront.

I agree that Park was crap, a finish, even a good one, doesn't change that. Some of his passing was incredibly poor, the one he hit over the top for Carrick was about 20 yards too long, half of everything he did was easily intercepted, headless chicken in general but if you run that much eventually you get lucky and are in the right place at the right time.
 
i think machedas given it his best shot but he's never gonna be the man for man utd.

hernandez is a great fast asset to have who can score goals. sub like solsjaer but with tons of pace too and fantastic header of the ball.
 
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hm nope ive always said that macheda, evans and someone else never going to make it. they just keep proving me right time and time again.

and i think we saw enough in obertan n last seasons 13 appearances to know that he isnt good enough quality either. so why we persist with him ill never know

I agree that Park was crap, a finish, even a good one, doesn't change that. Some of his passing was incredibly poor, the one he hit over the top for Carrick was about 20 yards too long, half of everything he did was easily intercepted, headless chicken in general but if you run that much eventually you get lucky and are in the right place at the right time.
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id rather we signed that one from bolton or wherever he plays if we want to replace park with another korean. at least he has some control and can pass and shoot properly. lee he's called or something.
 
Nickg said:
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I guess they should have played Bobchenko. :p

Looking forward to this evening's game against Newcastle, I've no idea if they are playing a strong team or not but I think we should rest Sagna, Song, Arshavin, Chamakh and Nasri, keep them on the bench in case we need a goal but I'd start with Rosicky, Bendtner, Theo and maybe someone like Landsbury instead of Song. Should be a good game. :)
 
Tummy said:
I thought Macheda was the future of Manchester United and a World Class youngster? :p
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I don't know why they didn't loan him to say Everton after his decent debut season at united. He would have got regular games and a lot sharper. I was hoping a deal like that would happen because he's not really been given that much of a chance at United.

United should have used us to get his player sharp and strong for the English game.
 
It didn't take me long to search eight posts, I'll be honest.

Just getting tiresome reading posters telling us how they always knew such-and-such would be crap/good/the next messi/an astronaut, when the truth is its actually pretty bloody impossible to say how someone will turn out in the future.
 
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