English League Football [19th - 23rd Feb 2010] **spoilers**

Chelsea will definitely drop points between now and the end of the season, against Man Utd for a start. They aren't as invincible as the press seem to want us all to believe. They weren't exactly convincing once again at the weekend. People talk of Man Utd and Arsenal not being excellent this year but I have no idea why Chelsea aren't included. They've had some good games, but they've had as many poor ones as Arsenal and Man Utd, they do however have Drogba who goes a loooong way to covering up their shortcomings.
 
p4radox said:
It was pleasing to see Benayoun stay on his feet in the area yesterday.
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Why should a player have to go down to get the foul? If he is fouled, and stays on his feet, the ref should have the balls to not give the advantage and blow for the pen.
 
Tummy said:
Why should a player have to go down to get the foul? If he is fouled, and stays on his feet, the ref should have the balls to not give the advantage and blow for the pen.
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Spot on.

I've always thought that part of the diving problem was poor officiating. Yesterday was a penalty to Benayoun whether he fell over or not. The fact that refs can't understand that means that players dive anyway to make sure they get their deserved foul.

It's really sad that today all the papers are praising Benyoun for staying on his feet instead of criticising another terrible, terrible decision from the officials. It was such an obvious penalty, can't start to understand the logic why it wasn't given (the fact he didn't fall over doesn't count, that's not logical)
 
I'd have given the pen. Yossi wouldn't of needed to go down like he'd being shot, it was a foul.

I'd have also given one for the push by the Liverpool defender.
 
R34P3R said:
I was also very pleased to see it, I would bet my house that if that was Gerrard he would have been over like a sack of spuds.
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Did anyone else spot, near the end Ibrahim was on, Gerrard won a header, Ibrahim came in late, jumped after the ball was gone, and maybe marginally brushed Gerrard, but no real contact, not even close to a foul...... and Gerrard threw his arms up in the arm and yelled at the ref begging for a freekick, for someone jumping near him.

Unfortunately with crap refereeing and not having the ability to get decisions right, they very much seem to try to even out one bad decision, with another one.

Had Ade got his penalty, Benny probably would have gotten his, referee logic means he screwed the first one, he better screw up that one too.

But you go down a path of not knowing what to give when you try to even the score up. You see it very often with one guy getting a card for a tackle a ref probably realises a minute later was never a yellow, so he then goes and gives one to the next player on the other side who coughs, or farts, or speaks up to him, just to even it out.

Thats when we get those stupid games where you have a guy on a yellow for doing smeg all, then the ref is forced to send him off for a second yellow later on.

Ref's suck, and video replay has to be used to get the big decisions right, so ref's can't screw games up so god damned frequently.
 
jakeke said:
Spot on.

I've always thought that part of the diving problem was poor officiating. Yesterday was a penalty to Benayoun whether he fell over or not. The fact that refs can't understand that means that players dive anyway to make sure they get their deserved foul.

It's really sad that today all the papers are praising Benyoun for staying on his feet instead of criticising another terrible, terrible decision from the officials. It was such an obvious penalty, can't start to understand the logic why it wasn't given (the fact he didn't fall over doesn't count, that's not logical)
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then you consider the Fletcher "foul" in the CL last season that ruled him out of the final

Replays showed it was obviously not a foul but once the card is produced the player misses out on one of the biggest games of his career.

I totally understand where you are coming from - in a perfect world maybe you would be right, but as a whole the players arent perfect by any means (in trying to con the ref/officials) and this wouldnt automatically make it better or harder to detect a dive/real foul
 
The Fletcher one wasn't as clear cut, if he hadn't have interfered then Fabregas would have shot and probably scored, but Fletcher felled him (either fairly or unfairly) so if he gave it, it had to be a red
 
jakeke said:
The Fletcher one wasn't as clear cut, if he hadn't have interfered then Fabregas would have shot and probably scored, but Fletcher felled him (either fairly or unfairly) so if he gave it, it had to be a red
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it was pretty clear cut given the direction of the ball afterwards!!!

All Im suggesting is that with the present rules /level or quality of officialdom there isnt any clear benefit to persuading players to stay on their feet with how wrong they get some decisions already
 
I think video replays are needed before we'll see a marked improvement in the standards of officiating.
 
I think getting the officials in to working teams would help. Having a group of 4/5 officials working together week in week out would help.

I think they just need to iron out the rules, get the officials to understand the rules better as well. I don't mind bad decisions, it's part and parcel of football, but I dislike inconsistant decisions, the FA have some part in this as well.
 
skippi90 said:
Some debate over just how far offside Defoe was.

Someone said that the red line is correct. I've added the blue line and although not perfectly parallel, is the correct line to determine offside, right? And so, Bale did NOT beat his man and Defoe was a country mile offside.
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Your blue line is blatantly not correct though. It's way too skewed. Look at the faint white "line" actually on the pitch to the right of it.

I'm not quite sure the red is correct either, but it's closer.
 
1917: TEAMS Man Utd v West Ham
Man Utd: Foster, Neville, Brown, Vidic, Evra, Valencia, Gibson, Scholes, Anderson, Berbatov, Rooney. Subs: Kuszczak, Owen, Park, Rafael, Evans, Fletcher, Diouf.
West Ham: Green, Faubert, Tomkins, Upson, Spector, Behrami, Noble, Kovac, Diamanti, Franco, Cole. Subs: Stech, Dyer, Ilan, Mido, Da Costa, Collison, Daprela.

Neville??? again??

Good to see Anderson and Vidic back, but no Rio :(

Can't see why Fergie has dropped/rested so many players, not like they won't be able to stand up for the final is it?
 
Shamikebab said:
BBC says he isn't :confused:
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He's back for the CC final. If the club had went through with the second appeal he'd have missed the CC final for sure. Today is the last game he misses, the last game of his 4 match ban. To be fair, the BBC stands for Broadcasting Balls Constantly (replace balls with another b word :p).
 
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