English League Football [26th Feb - 2nd Mar 2010] **spoilers**

As an Arsenal fan im gutted about ramsey, It was a red card because his tackle caused a serious injury, however it wasnt deliberate and was unfortunate. No where nearly as bad as the birmingham one on eduardo.
The team did well to come back from seeing ramsey go down to win it!
 
Looked like a clean break so he might be back by the beginning of next season (Septemberish), however knowing Arsenal and injuries it will more likely be January. It's a shame, I think we were lining him up as Fabregas's replacement. We have to win the premiership or europe now in order to keep Fabregas and not have no playmaker in midfield.
 
It looked like Ramsey had already gone over on his ankle, so all his weight would have been there rather than his foot.

It was a clumsy tackle but I think it was just an unfortunate accident, if Ramsey hadn't gone over on his ankle I don't think the outcome would've been any different to most other late tackles.
 
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Was hard to watch the game again on MOTD, seeing Ramsey running around smiling knowing what would come next.

I don't hold Shawcross as responsible for this as I did with Taylor on Eduardo, he also showed genuine and immediate remorse and anguish over what happened - unlike Taylor.

The recovery from Arsenal was commendable however and the win was thoroughly deserved.

Injuries like this will become all the more frequent in the modern game as the players are so much stronger and faster than they used to be. I do think the rules need to change a little to come down more strictly on the stronger challenges for this reason.

Instead of everyone talking about how Shawcross didn't intend to break his leg (of course he didn't), we should focus on the fact that he did break his leg, it was a careless challenge, Stoke were playing to rough up Arsenal (like many others) and with the players being stronger and faster than ever before these things are going to happen.

A similar problem is occuring in the NFL, with injuries becoming far more common due to the strength, power and speed of the athletes.
 
Massively unfortunate incident for the two players involved today. Obviously Ramsey came out far worse, but from the looks of things it was a totally genuine tackle that was just ill timed. You can clearly see that Shawcross feels terrible for what he has done and will no doubt have a tough time sleeping for a few nights. The guilt must feel terrible.
As an Arsenal fan, it's tough to take another leg break - 3 in 5 years does seem to be a bit more than unlucky. Ramsey, although not proven just yet, certainly is up and rising and improving everyday has been great this year. Poor guy :( Wish him a speedy recovery, I think being young will be a great factor for him.
 
Dunno if this was talked about earlier but I thought Bellamy's interview with sky was brilliant


Dont get me wrong he's an irritating arrogant jumped up despisable little sod and you just want to lay one on him when he's playing against your team but top marks for telling it like it is :p
 
lemonkettaz said:
Bellamy is a great player, bit ouspoken.. but whats the difference from being honest
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He's having a great season, seems to be much quicker these days then he ever was during his Newcastle stay. Has been scoring goals for fun this season as well
 
Tom84 said:
Amazing no one has replied to this, I guess it's not what they want to believe
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Oh please:rolleyes:...no ones replied to it because it was after the tackle...my god fella you come up with the most stupidest rubbish after DM and his posts:p
 
StewartMG said:
Never seen that. What a lad. Brilliant interview :p

edit: also why is Tevez's english still awful? :(
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Because english isnt his first language:confused:...sure he should learn it by now after all hes been in the EPL for quite some time now but i guess he knows enough to get him by.
 
StewartMG said:
Never seen that. What a lad. Brilliant interview :p

edit: also why is Tevez's english still awful? :(
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I heard it was more a case of being shy about his English, and being on the spot you don't have time to really be careful about your translation. Its also fairly likely, learning your English purely on the training pitch, its mostly swear words.

Bellamys a half decent guy, I saw a interview with him recently basically saying he's probably not got too long left in the game and he wants to give 100% till the day he stops playing. He was saying with him its a case of, the mentality to put 100% effort into every game is just him, and he can't remove that mentality from the connection to his gob, he knows he's a mouthy git on the field but if he tried to reign that in, he wouldn't be the same player. Fair play to him, he's not like that off the field, bar getting drunk one night at Liverpool.

Most of his "problems" were with idiots like Souness simply not liking him so benching a decent scoring player for no real reason.

He was superb , yet still mouthy, at West Ham and played there on the wing aswell quite often, though injuries kept him out. He scored at all levels against some huge clubs in the champs league for Liverpool and has scored against every quality of team out there.



As for Ramsey, he won't be back as fast as Nasri, Nasri's was a pretty minor break as far as I know, not much more than a small fracture, he didn't snap his leg.

But likewise you can't instantly assume it will be as bad as Eduardo's, a bone's not supposed to break, its like when you snap pasta, it can snap in all sorts of bad shapes and pieces, it could be in a dozen shattered pieces, or one very clean break. Hope theres some good news soon, and having seen some of the replays again, I wasn't quite sure who the Stoke player was on the ground who was trying to talk to him, seemed to be trying to calm him down and stop him moving, well done to the guy.

One last thing, Sol, played pretty well and is still a beast, him jumping up and down in anger after seeing the injury, I wouldn't want to get in angry Sol's way, ever.
 
Firstly, I feel really sorry for Ramsey - horrific injury, and it couldn't happen at a worse time in his career. When he's played this season he's been excellent, and could have been (could still be, hopefully) one of the best midfielders in the league in a couple of years.

What I will say is that it wasn't that bad a tackle, and I also feel a little sorry for Shawcross - that sort of thing can't be nice for the tackler as well as the guy with the injury, and he seems like a player who plays the game properly. It was a little late, but his foot was ball height. We see worse tackles than that every other week in the league (last one I remember was Pienaar on Mascherano) which don't cause the same injury or, often, receive the same punishment.

It was an unfortunate incident, and I hope Ramsey gets fit as soon as is possible.

I wasn't quite sure who the Stoke player was on the ground who was trying to talk to him, seemed to be trying to calm him down and stop him moving, well done to the guy.
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Glenn Whelan
 
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Bad tackle on the Arsenal young 'en, late and high, but it was just a bad tackle, not intentional. Unlucky Ramsey and I hope him a quick recovery. After the Eddy leg break and his return to walk / play again, I'm sure this guy will be okay.

Top marks for Glenn Whelan, (ex Wednesdayite) for talking to him on the floor and keeping him there, he's a top guy on and off the pitch. Bumped in to him a couple of times.

Good win for City, Bellendamy is a mouthy little **** when he's on the pitch, but I do like him and have grown to really rate and like him the more I listen to him. The interviews he gives for Wales are classy :p

Loved his interview with Sky :D

I didn't think Chelsea were at their best, European hangover?
Terry lol eggface.

Wednesday got thumped 5-0 away to Reading, it's one better then last years 6-0 to them :p so thats an improvement :D Maybe in 6 seasons time we might beat then 0-1 :p
 
BaZ87 said:
Just seen the tackle again on MOTD and it doesn't look like that bad a tackle, not worth a red card anyway. It was just unlucky.

edit: The penalty could have gone either way. On one hand (no pun intended) it wasn't intentional but on the other he's got his arms out to the side with the sole purpose of making himself as big as possible to get past.
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+1 on both of these
 
Just seen the tackle again, and it was full blooded alright. Fair enough, it very much seems 50/50 and not malicious but I'm still struggling for that to be a justification. That or the fact Shawcross seems remorseful.

I'm in no way against the physical side of the game, if players and injuries like this occurred after fair and hard tackles (e.g. Carragher on Cesc last season) then no complaints, but I still maintain as before my point of view that the "get in the face of Arsenal" attitude often crosses the line to dangerous fouls like this.

Overall it's disappointing as Ramsey was growing into a fairly tough midfield player himself. He was young and still developing, not the stage (in particular!) you want a broken leg. As weird as it sounds Eduardo was older and more the finished article. As he's also shown, the physical aspect is probably the last of the game to return and after two years I still don't think it has. Hopefully Eduardo's just taking longer than usual though as Diaby and Nasri I think were quicker.

The penalty was weird, I'm always one to say previous appeals shouldn't influence or justify a possibly dubious one later, but well, there was Ramsey's earlier on in the half. More importantly his arms were moving about a lot (the later one), deffo a pen.
 
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What a horrible injury to have happened to Ramsey, just seen it on youtube and it didn't look like there was any malice in the tackle, seems some very bad luck/timing caused it. :(
 
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