Equal rights, equal... hitting?

B@Th*nG said:
equal rights for equal fights

jokes!! ;)

B@Th*nG
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its not a joke though, it is THAT simple.

for centurys men tended to pretend that woman just couldn't do anything, and women did tend to play the role and pretend they couldn't work, hunt, gather blah blah blah.

the fact is that all the womens rights fights, i support, i don't feel there is a difference and men/women should be treated differently, just like white/black people shouldn't be treated differently.

but women need to stop pretending they are incapable of hurting a man, or being violent, or doing anything wrong. theres lots of cases of men losing custody of their children because women play the abuse card in divorce cases, while lots of women will be abused and thats fine, theres plenty that play it simply because society pretends that men are like that. its become a way to manipulate the outcome of lots of things. women are 100% as capable of hurting people as men but they don't come out and say that, because it doesn't help them. you don't ever hear the womens rights groups asking for COMPLETE equality, just in area's that will help women.
 
drunkenmaster said:
its not a joke though, it is THAT simple.

for centurys men tended to pretend that woman just couldn't do anything, and women did tend to play the role and pretend they couldn't work, hunt, gather blah blah blah.

the fact is that all the womens rights fights, i support, i don't feel there is a difference and men/women should be treated differently, just like white/black people shouldn't be treated differently.

but women need to stop pretending they are incapable of hurting a man, or being violent, or doing anything wrong. theres lots of cases of men losing custody of their children because women play the abuse card in divorce cases, while lots of women will be abused and thats fine, theres plenty that play it simply because society pretends that men are like that. its become a way to manipulate the outcome of lots of things. women are 100% as capable of hurting people as men but they don't come out and say that, because it doesn't help them. you don't ever hear the womens rights groups asking for COMPLETE equality, just in area's that will help women.
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While I agree with your general principle, I quibble with some of the details regarding the past.

The available information on hunter/gatherer societies indicates that women in them worked. That's also a logical conclusion - if half the adults didn't work, the whole group would die. The children worked. Everyone worked. It was necessary (except in areas with an extreme abundance of food). It seems very likely that gathering was predominantly done by women. This was/is the case in hunter/gatherer societies for which more direct evidence exists, e.g. asking aboriginal Australians about the history of their people. It's also a logical division of labour in a hunter/gatherer society.

More recently and locally, it was still the case that the great majority of women worked and no-one batted an eyelid or thought they couldn't. While England was still an agrarian country, a lot of labour was required. Go back a few centuries and you'd find plenty of women working in the fields. Outside farms, small businesses such as shops and inns were often owned and run by a married couple and fairly often by a woman on her own (usually because her husband had died). Men didn't generally think women incapable of anything much, because it was glaringly obvious that wasn't the case. The circumstances you refer to was only common amongst the "higher" social classes, essentially those with enough money to afford the waste, or subsections of society in which there weren't any women, such as the Christian church.

The underlying idea was that women needed to be protected a lot more than men. That's true in a small group living in dangerous circumstances, such as hunter/gatherer tribes millenia ago, for the simple reason that more women than men are required to maintain a viable breeding population. One man can potentially father (in a purely physical sense) dozens of children per year. In such societies, a woman can mother (ditto) probably only one child every two years (breastfeeding reduces fertility). Unsurprisingly, protection and restriction go hand in hand and this led to women from wealthy classes being thought of as more refined, more delicate, more innocent, morally superior...more like children.
 
If women can serve in our armed forces (this was about the "manliest" thing i could think of) and they decide to start a fight and punch a man in the face, surely they can accept the fact that it is in the realm of possibility some men might hit them back and those men would be in their right to do so, or am i missing something? just because it is socially unacceptable to hit a woman doesn't mean that women are incapable of causing harm to a man.
 
Maybe the two of you should just cut all contact with each other and get on with your own lives.

I don't really think this is the right place to be bringing it since you're both members here and it'll no doubt turn equally as nasty now you've both posted in this thread.
 
Ok, for a serious non motoring related reply :p

From my point of view, -westy- is being fair, Gemma (from the way I see it) has thrown a strop because she is jealous of -westy- and his new poontay and is making threats to try and scare him. -westy- is just making it clear that if Gemma does decide to take action against the new girl then he wouldn't hesitate to retaliate, which in my opinion is fair enough, shes had fair warning, up to her if she does anything else.

My 2p...
 
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It doesn't matter who is jealous of who even if there is any jealousy flying around in the first place.

For it to get to the stage where someone is allegedly talking about driving down and punching someone else then I think it's pretty obvious that the best thing they can do for each other, as well as for themselves, is to leave each other alone.

Posting about it on here is hardly going to diffuse the situation. If anything it's going to make matters worse because people will be fanning the flames.
 
malolo said:
It doesn't matter who is jealous of who even if there is any jealousy flying around in the first place.

For it to get to the stage where someone is allegedly talking about driving down and punching someone else then I think it's pretty obvious that the best thing they can do for each other, as well as for themselves, is to leave each other alone.

Posting about it on here is hardly going to diffuse the situation. If anything it's going to make matters worse because people will be fanning the flames.
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Correct. Therefore I'm not going to discuss the matter any more on here. Its up to the OP if she wants to continue :)
 
Phate said:
Ok, for a serious non motoring related reply :p

From my point of view, -westy- is being fair, Gemma (from the way I see it) has thrown a strop because she is jealous of -westy- and his new poontay and is making threats to try and scare him. -westy- is just making it clear that if Gemma does decide to take action against the new girl then he wouldn't hesitate to retaliate, which in my opinion is fair enough, shes had fair warning, up to her if she does anything else.

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thats.. not even close. this has not a lot to do with said member, i was asking what peoples views are on the subject in the OP, because it seems to have changed pretty quickly over few years...
 
-gem- said:
thats.. not even close. this has not a lot to do with said member, i was asking what peoples views are on the subject in the OP, because it seems to have changed pretty quickly over few years...
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Well everyone on this forum knows I fail at the internet anyway :p
 
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and yet again, straying from the subject... this isnt about personal matters, this is about finding out other peoples views. personal matters dont really come into this.
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To be fair then I think he had a right to reply since your opening post made reference to him.

You could have had the same discussion without mentioning him.
 
well i'd like to add if you're mad over the whole situation and want to take it out on anybody, it is never the other girlfriend/boyfriends fault (edit* unless they knew he/she was in a relationship with you and was a friend, if they weren't a friend of yours it's still your boyfriends/girlfriends fault). if you want to hit someone punch your ex instead of some innocent third party but just understand that if you do they have every right to hit you back wether you're a man or a woman
 
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My honestly reply with regards to equal rights:


If you want equal rights, then have them all, not just the good parts. If you want to be treated like an equal, behave like one, not like someone who's going to moan when they get a slap back!

A question for the blokes: If there was a man, slightly smaller and of thinner build than you, giving your girlfriend a lot of lip, going to hit her etc, would you hesitate to hit him? I'm guessing not.

So why is it so much of an issue if its a woman? Same situation, smaller build, same kind of abuse, so surely...same reaction?
 
-westy- said:
My honestly reply with regards to equal rights:


If you want equal rights, then have them all, not just the good parts. If you want to be treated like an equal, behave like one, not like someone who's going to moan when they get a slap back!

A question for the blokes: If there was a man, slightly smaller and of thinner build than you, giving your girlfriend a lot of lip, going to hit her etc, would you hesitate to hit him? I'm guessing not.

So why is it so much of an issue if its a woman? Same situation, smaller build, same kind of abuse, so surely...same reaction?
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Many people want to have their cake and eat it, in various ways. It's hardly surprising that many women would want all the advantages of the traditional women's role plus all the advantages of the traditional men's role and none of the disadvantages of either, especially since most women alive today have lived their entire life being taught that's what they're entitled to. Men are also taught that's what women are entitled to, which adds to the traditional lessons. I think that answers your "question for the blokes".
 
Restraining a crazy woman is the best thing to do; if you can't do that, then you're not a man. If you really need to hit her, grab her arm and slap her with her own hand.
 
While I agree on never to hit a woman and i never have or wanted to. I do want to know why do girls have a problem of men hitting you back if you start hitting them. Is it because you know they would respect your size? Or your gender?

If a skinny man starts a fight and start throwing punches and perhaps landing a few, any man, regardless of size will swing back. It would be self defence would it not? It would only be assault when you go beyond what is reasonable, in this case would be knocking the skinny guy on the ground and then kept on hitting him. If you only hit back so he stops, that would be reasonable self-defence.

So, why would it matter if its a girl?
 
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