Poll: Erik ten Hag Sack Watch & Next Manchester United Manager? Sacked. Ruben Amorim appointed.

To sack or not to sack

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Mekrel said:
I can't see how our issue is finishing, I can only think of one game where we played well yet couldn't stick it in the net which was against Crystal Palace. I don't think we create enough going forward, even in the Porto game I felt the first two goals were gifted to us by their keeper and in the Villa game our xG was 0.56.

I certainly don't see people saying we were all over x, y and z team but we just were not clinical enough.
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I think it does effect confidence though. The more chances you miss, the more you lose, the worse it gets. Football is massive on mentality.

Watching United this season has been bad but there have been plenty of periods in games where the football has been great then we collapse.
 
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I would have thought there would be some news by now.

You know what the media are like surrounding United..

International break may have to have something to do with it (grasping at straws here)
 
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adam cool dude said:
I think it does effect confidence though. The more chances you miss, the more you lose, the worse it gets. Football is massive on mentality.

Watching United this season has been bad but there have been plenty of periods in games where the football has been great then we collapse.
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Except for Palace, I can't see where we've been played any great football.

Fulham - Scraped a goal to win 1-0, although I admit we had some clean cut chances in that game
Brighton - We played okay, quite an even game statistically but couldn't see the game out. I don't think Brighton played to their ability either
Liverpool - Played well for 15 minutes, imploded and lost 3-0
Southampton - Relegation fodder
Barnsley - A great performance, sure they're a League 1 team but we beat them convincingly 7-0, but they made it extremely easy
Palace - Played well, but couldn't finish our dinner. We could have lost it, there was an opportunity to Palace to score at the end which thankfully for us they didn't take
Twente - I didn't watch it, but I don't recall articles saying we created much. xG was 1.37 for us and their keeper only made 5 saves the whole match. Doesn't sound like we peppered the goal but couldn't finish
Spurs - Awful
Porto - Gifted two goals and did what has been common for us in Europe for two seasons now which is to go ahead and either draw or lose the game
Villa - Poor game overall for both sides, Villa hungover from Europe and xG was barely 1 total across both teams

Where has this great football been? We've beaten Southampton and Barnsley convincingly, and scraped a 1-0 against Fulham.
 
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adam cool dude said:
Also all the stats seem to indicate that we are creating chances and big ones yet all our conversion stats are rock bottom. That is on the players not the manager.
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They also indicate you're conceding fewer goals than you should based on the chances you're conceding. I assume that is on the manager? In fact according to understat Utd have scored just over 6 goals fewer than they should but also conceded just under 6 goals fewer than they should have. I guess those two stats even themselves out and Utd's overall position is a reflection of where they truly are. Is that on the manager or players?
 
Mekrel said:
Except for Palace, I can't see where we've been played any great football.

Fulham - Scraped a goal to win 1-0, although I admit we had some clean cut chances in that game
Brighton - We played okay, quite an even game statistically but couldn't see the game out. I don't think Brighton played to their ability either
Southampton - Relegation fodder
Barnsley - A great performance, sure they're a League 1 team but we beat them convincingly 7-0, but they made it extremely easy
Palace - Played well, but couldn't finish our dinner. We could have lost it, there was an opportunity to Palace to score at the end which thankfully for us they didn't take
Twente - I didn't watch it, but I don't recall articles saying we created much. xG was 1.37 for us and their keeper only made 5 saves the whole match. Doesn't sound like we peppered the goal but couldn't finish
Spurs - Awful
Porto - Gifted two goals and did what has been common for us in Europe for two seasons now which is to go ahead and either draw or lose the game
Villa - Poor game overall for both sides, Villa hungover from Europe and xG was barely 1 total across both teams

Where has this great football been? We've beaten Southampton and Barnsley convincingly, and scraped a 1-0 against Fulham.
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Sorry did someone say that they have seen United play "great" football!?

Bonkers.
 
BaZ87 said:
They also indicate you're conceding fewer goals than you should based on the chances you're conceding. I assume that is on the manager? In fact according to understat Utd have scored just over 6 goals fewer than they should but also conceded just under 6 goals fewer than they should have. I guess those two stats even themselves out and Utd's overall position is a reflection of where they truly are. Is that on the manager or players?
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Defenders not doing their job? He dropped our starting CB pairing for the game against Villa that says it all.
 
BaZ87 said:
They also indicate you're conceding fewer goals than you should based on the chances you're conceding. I assume that is on the manager? In fact according to understat Utd have scored just over 6 goals fewer than they should but also conceded just under 6 goals fewer than they should have. I guess those two stats even themselves out and Utd's overall position is a reflection of where they truly are. Is that on the manager or players?
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Big sides generally concede less than expected and score more than expected because they have better players. Fbref has us as conceding 3 less than expected which is not that unusual. Scoring a whopping 6goals less than xG after 7 games though is decidedly not normal, it's one of the highest gaps in Europe.
 
Shamikebab said:
Big sides generally concede less than expected and score more than expected because they have better players. Fbref has us as conceding 3 less than expected which is not that unusual. Scoring a whopping 6goals less than xG after 7 games though is decidedly not normal, it's one of the highest gaps in Europe.
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Indeed, big sides do. How's that relevant to United? ;)
 
adam cool dude said:
Defenders not doing their job? He dropped our starting CB pairing for the game against Villa that says it all.
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So by this thinking it's good creative play from the players that have resulted in the chances Utd have missed too? You seem to be suggesting that nothing that happens on the pitch is the result of the actions of the manager, in which case they may as well sack him and appoint somebody on minimum wage. At least you'll save a few quid.
Shamikebab said:
Big sides generally concede less than expected and score more than expected because they have better players. Fbref has us as conceding 3 less than expected which is not that unusual. Scoring a whopping 6goals less than xG after 7 games though is decidedly not normal, it's one of the highest gaps in Europe.
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Without tapping in that great assist, whether big teams concede less goals than their xG it doesn't change the fact that Utd's xGA is still the 14th worst in the League. Understat produce xPts totals based on xG and Utd would still sit 10th in the PL (with 1.8 points more than they currently have). Fbref have xGD/90 and Utd rank 11th.

You can cherry pick whatever stats you want, Utd's underlying performances have been of a mid table side. The fact that you're sitting in 14th is not a massive shock based on your performances this season and people arguing 'if we scored our chances' are clutching at straws or simply intentionally misleading.

Utd don't score many goals because your forward players aren't especially good and concede lots of chances because the structure of the side isn't especially good.
 
Robbo said:
We've been over all this before, obviously I profoundly disagree - let's see what happens.
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I was a relatively staunch ‘supporter’ of ETH and wanted him to have a fair craic at getting the team playing something akin to actual team football - especially with the new structure.
However, it’s now clear to see that either the players can’t or won’t do whatever it is he’s trying (I admit I don’t know what it is he’s trying but I don’t believe he’s tactically inept) So we’re now at the stage where the only options left is to wipe virtually the whole squad out and completely rebuild or shift the manager on and try a different one. Realistically we know that gutting the squad completely isn’t going to happen so that leaves only one other option - try a new manager.

ETH has brought in enough players now that he ‘knows’ so should be getting more than we are seeing from the team so for whatever reason it’s still not working - in fact I’ll go as far as to say, irrespective of the stats, we look worse than last year at times.

Ultimately, something drastic needs to change at the club and while many of us would want that ‘something drastic’ to include the binning of several of our ‘star’ players, realistically that’s not going to happen any time soon so we need a manager that can at least eek some sort of form of football out of them until such times as the rot is moved on.
 
BaZ87 said:
You can cherry pick whatever stats you want, Utd's underlying performances have been of a mid table side.
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This is probably a massive point ManU fans don’t want to accept (actually makes me feel ill agreeing with a pool fan on this fact :p)
Now while the squad that has been assembled will never in a million years compete for the PL crown it most certainly has enough about it to not be putting out these levels of performances over and over again.
 
Thekwango said:
I was a relatively staunch ‘supporter’ of ETH and wanted him to have a fair craic at getting the team playing something akin to actual team football - especially with the new structure.
However, it’s now clear to see that either the players can’t or won’t do whatever it is he’s trying (I admit I don’t know what it is he’s trying but I don’t believe he’s tactically inept) So we’re now at the stage where the only options left is to wipe virtually the whole squad out and completely rebuild or shift the manager on and try a different one. Realistically we know that gutting the squad completely isn’t going to happen so that leaves only one other option - try a new manager.

ETH has brought in enough players now that he ‘knows’ so should be getting more than we are seeing from the team so for whatever reason it’s still not working - in fact I’ll go as far as to say, irrespective of the stats, we look worse than last year at times.

Ultimately, something drastic needs to change at the club and while many of us would want that ‘something drastic’ to include the binning of several of our ‘star’ players, realistically that’s not going to happen any time soon so we need a manager that can at least eek some sort of form of football out of them until such times as the rot is moved on.
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You see.

I couldn't agree more with this comment.


Let's play devils's advocate here...

Does anyone think that if ETH stays he will bring the team forward?
 
Nate75 said:
I would have thought there would be some news by now.

You know what the media are like surrounding United..

International break may have to have something to do with it (grasping at straws here)
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The meeting only just finished. Nobody knows what's been decided (if anything).

So we just have to wait. I'm sure Ornstein or someone will get fed a story either way...
 
There's still nothing in the way of an update really. Just that "Ten Hag expects to remain in charge" but nothing beyond that... of course he will expect that unless he's told otherwise.
 
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