Poll: EU Referendum Voting Intentions

How do you intent to vote in the EU referendum

  • Yes - to stay in the EU

    Votes: 486 58.1%

  • No - to leave the EU

    Votes: 307 36.7%

  • Sepp Blatter

    Votes: 43 5.1%
  • Total voters
    836
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Mr Jack said:
This is a myth, despite the number of times it's trotted out.
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No it's not:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

According to the annual report of the European Court of Auditors, seen by The Telegraph, £5.5 billion of the EU budget last year was misspent because of controls on spending that were deemed to be only “partially effective” by experts.
The audit, published this morning, found that £109 billion out of a total of £117 billion spent by the EU in 2013 was "affected by material error”.
It means that the Brussels accounts have not been given the all clear for 19 years running.
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scorza said:
No it's not
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No, it's still false. From my link above:

For years now, the auditors refuse to sign off the EU accounts!

This is false. The European Court of Auditors gave a clean bill of health on our 2013 accounting books, for the seventh time in a row. This means every euro spent from the EU budget was duly recorded in the books and accounted for.
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I'm shocked to tell you that The Telegraph is deliberately misrepresenting the Auditor's report. You can read the Audit in brief (.pdf) yourself.

The auditors do find that there payments are "materially effected by error", meaning that just under 5% of payments are affected by error, above their target of 2%. This does not mean they would not sign off on the accounts as widely and falsely stated.
 
Mr Jack said:
No, it's still false. From my link above:



I'm shocked to tell you that The Telegraph is deliberately misrepresenting the Auditor's report. You can read the Audit in brief (.pdf) yourself.

The auditors do find that there payments are "materially effected by error", meaning that just under 5% of payments are affected by error, above their target of 2%. This does not mean they would not sign off on the accounts as widely and falsely stated.
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That's pretty **** isn't it? Why on earth would anyone want to be governed by an organisation with such a poor error rate?
 
scorza said:
That's pretty **** isn't it? Why on earth would anyone want to be governed by an organisation with such a poor error rate?
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Almost all of the errors are because of errors in administration, or failures in monitoring, by national governments. It's also lower than the error rate in the US, and comparable to the error rate in many areas of UK spending.
 
Mr Jack said:
Almost all of the errors are because of errors in administration, or failures in monitoring, by national governments. It's also lower than the error rate in the US, and comparable to the error rate in many areas of UK spending.
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Citation needed. Sounds like a pretty shambolic administration that lets corrupt national governments, like Greece or Spain monitor payments.

Zethor said:
Why would anyone want to be governed by... any government, including the UK one?

5.7%, or £460m, of Pension Credit expenditure (£8.2bn) was overpaid

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system
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At least our government gets held to account over this - unlike the EU over their failures.
 
Nevakonaza said:
Its all a load of....imo,Regardless of votes we all know it will be rigged and we will remain in the EU.

Personally,I think its time we got out.
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Absolutely true, the referendum cannot be allowed to have a result that is not in keeping with all the major parties determination to remain in the EU on any terms.

All this rubbish talk of renegotiation is simply that rubbish.

We're in it and we're staying in it and no circumstances will change that fact.
 
scorza said:
Citation needed. Sounds like a pretty shambolic administration that lets corrupt national governments, like Greece or Spain monitor payments.

At least our government gets held to account over this - unlike the EU over their failures.
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Administration errors occur in any large organisation.

Please try to judge everything by one standard, makes debating more enjoyable.
 
Turambar said:
If I we leave will I have the freedom to use a massively overpowered and inefficient vacuum cleaner?
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I know you say this in jest but it is actually a good representative question to highlight the likely outcomes.

You may get the freedom to buy an inefficient vacume cleaner but there is a high chance that Britisn would simply copy the same rules as the EU anyway to try to meet energy and CO2 targets. Mover the vacum cleaner manufacturers aren't going to bother making seperate UK specific models, they will make EU models that are all more efficient and thus even without Britian having any say in the regulatin British household will end up subjected to the rules indirectly.
 
scorza said:
Citation needed. Sounds like a pretty shambolic administration that lets corrupt national governments, like Greece or Spain monitor payments.
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It's in the audit briefing I linked to. I'm not quite show how you expect the EU, which is a club of nations, to operate without reference to the national governments.

At least our government gets held to account over this - unlike the EU over their failures.
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What do you think the EU auditing process, you know the one you're getting these figures from, is?
 
scorza said:
Citation needed. Sounds like a pretty shambolic administration that lets corrupt national governments, like Greece or Spain monitor payments.
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The EU member states voted last year to cut the staff at the EU by 5%.
 
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