EU Speed limiter

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415

Just as we were discussing in the gun thread, the EU is planning mandatory technology to ensure cars keep to the speed limit using "camera recognition and GPS technology". The future for our government managed existence is exciting.

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'Driver can override the system by pushing the accelerator.'

So this is just another form of cruise control, and you still have the freedom to drive at your preferred speed.

Is the EU expecting every car company to be able to implement this technology? What about a small start up that maybe couldn't afford the development and implementation of this technology? It makes the price of entry into the market even higher and gives current manufacturers more of a hold on the market

How many 'small startup' car manufacturers are there, really? And how many servicing the domestic market?
 
Yes and why should anyone care? The current car companies are well entrenched, so much so that governments will simply save them regardless of cost.

Are they? Has there been no influx of competition from SE Asia in the past 10 years? What about in the future if a South American company or Indian company want to sell cars here but find the costs off putting or eating too much into their margins? Competition is a very good thing for consumers
 
Is the EU expecting every car company to be able to implement this technology? What about a small start up that maybe couldn't afford the development and implementation of this technology? It makes the price of entry into the market even higher and gives current manufacturers more of a hold on the market

They'll likely make exemptions for small run manufacturers as they do for other requirements already.
 

I'll see your pedantry and raise you.

One could argue that we do not know (and probably cannot know) how many speeding vehicles there are on the road at any given moment, so "less speeding vehicles" is acceptable.

"Less drivers prosecuted for exceeding the speed limit" would be incorrect however as you can attribute a value (that can be recorded and verified) to that statement.
 
Is the EU expecting every car company to be able to implement this technology? What about a small start up that maybe couldn't afford the development and implementation of this technology? It makes the price of entry into the market even higher and gives current manufacturers more of a hold on the market

There may be exemptions, if not, then it's not something most vehicle manufacturers will design and build themselves anyway, it'll be an integration of off the shelf technology.
 
My 3008 SUV has a limit/cruise control with speed limit sign recognition.

1. Speed limits displayed for the road are not always correct. The control for the limit/cruise is to accept twice to set the limit/cruise.

2. The lane control i’ve not used, it will keep you in the lane but if you attempt to swerve it will work against you unless you’re indicating. Oddly to avoid in an emergency indicators aren’t always going to be used. Depends on speed of the incident.

Also I think there’s going to be a lot of peeved French drivers that seem to drive everywhere at MACH 2.
Also when it’s wet - who says it’s wet? Why I say this is in France the roads vary 110km in the wet and 130km in the dry.
 
I hope that they also put in a minimum distance sensor over "x" speed to stop tailgating when this comes in, that was incredibly annoying when I was in a speed monitored vehicle (not technically limited but if you went over you would get a telling off).

Perhaps it will be enough to cause all the road rage idiots to drive themselves off the road in sheer frustration.
 
I can see you having to apply to the insurance company if you want to drive fast - that way they will force insurance on bring your own track cars too.

As it stands the cars provide enough telemetry for traffic/sat nav in the car to route depending on traffic speed.
 
My 3008 SUV has a limit/cruise control with speed limit sign recognition.

1. Speed limits displayed for the road are not always correct. The control for the limit/cruise is to accept twice to set the limit/cruise.

2. The lane control i’ve not used, it will keep you in the lane but if you attempt to swerve it will work against you unless you’re indicating. Oddly to avoid in an emergency indicators aren’t always going to be used. Depends on speed of the incident.

Also I think there’s going to be a lot of peeved French drivers that seem to drive everywhere at MACH 2.
Also when it’s wet - who says it’s wet? Why I say this is in France the roads vary 110km in the wet and 130km in the dry.

A suite of sensors and confirmation from local weather stations will be in order, you didn’t need that in the past, but almost certainly it will be coming down the line.

Also this whole shabang will likely lead to a comprehensive digitised map of all roads and current limits, forcing connection or shutting down the vehicle until you comply.

This will eventually lead into having zero control apart from emergencies.

Government must be salivating at the contraction they’ll be able to fail on in his regard to provide these systems.
 
I think that will be an issue they haven't considered. Many will sit with their foot most of the way down because it will be hard to judge the pedal position when it's not responding to input. Then suddenly unexpected acceleration when passing a NSL sign.
If they do that's a fault of the driver not the tech, and a great argument for having the car do all the driving...

It's not exactly rocket science or hard to judge your foot position on the pedal.
Is the EU expecting every car company to be able to implement this technology? What about a small start up that maybe couldn't afford the development and implementation of this technology? It makes the price of entry into the market even higher and gives current manufacturers more of a hold on the market
Absolutely no different to at the moment

The cost of this compared to the other regulatory requirements for putting a car on the market is going to be small, there will be companies that make the technology and just require the car manufacturer to design with it in mind.
This is basically the same as things like Air bags, ABS etc. there will be companies that develop their own versions of the systems, and there will be companies that just buy an off the shelf design and make minor modifications for their vehicle.
It will likley be a plug and play module in most cases because you can bet that the likes of Vauxhall or VW group will not be making a different system for every model of car they sell, they'll be making a general unit that can be easily customised per model and be willing to sell it to third parties (as they things like engines etc), or they'll buy it in from a specialist manufacturer who does the customisation beforehand like they do for radios and other electronics.

I suspect for some manufacturers who are already putting most of the tech into their higher end models, it's likely already reaching the point where it's cheaper to include it in every car sold rather than say only on certain options (as happened with ABS, ESC, airbags, power steering, electric windows, air conditioning etc), as once the technology reaches a certain point it's easier to include it as standard than do multiple variants on the production line.

There will also likely be exemptions for certain types of car manufacturing (IE kit cars or volumes under X per year), as there is at the moment for certain types of testing and approval, with the vehicles instead being tested under a different set of standards, or the additional cost with not be noticable compared to the cost of any car that is effectively custom made in small volumes (where you're usually already paying a lot more because you don't get the cost benefit of volume production).
 
I think the small manufacturers have exemptions for stuff like this. You don't have TC, crumple zones or airbags etc on Caterhams for example.
 
I think the small manufacturers have exemptions for stuff like this. You don't have TC, crumple zones or airbags etc on Caterhams for example.
Aye for all that people complain about the EU and government they do tend to understand the difference between small volume production runs where a company can't possibly spend tens of millions on full testing, and bulk production where they'll spend more on just the marketing in the first year than the cost of a full round of safety testing for a car that'll remain in production for 5-10 years.
 
I think that will be an issue they haven't considered. Many will sit with their foot most of the way down because it will be hard to judge the pedal position when it's not responding to input. Then suddenly unexpected acceleration when passing a NSL sign.

Easy enough to counter by providing feeback through the pedal (i.e. more resistance when you reach the point where the accelerator position matches the speed - i.e. like the old mechanical cruise control systems or similar to the kickdown point on auto cars). When you get to a higher speed limit section, it doesn't even have to be an on/off feedback mechanism - it can fade out as a lerp function.
 
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