It would be good if the team walked off the pitch with the player that is being abused.
EURO 2012: Players to be booked if they leave the pitch due to racism
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It would be good if the team walked off the pitch with the player that is being abused.
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I'll say the same to you, care to contribute?
How am I being ignorant for a start?
No, I don't think it would be good at all.
If a player is targeted then the referee alone should make the choice. I can't imagine how bad it would be for the game to have the players decide to just walk off during a major tournament. This would set a dangerous precedent for football, giving players licence to do what they like. If its just chants, racist or otherwise, its not endangering anyone. However, if someone's life or well being is threatened, that's a different story.
i'm on the fence on this. obvious racism being wrong aside, i am of the frame of mind that maybe the players should ignore it and let their football do the talking. not easy i would imagine but walking away from people chanting abuse is letting them win.
let the stewards throw them out, entire tiers if needs be and let the football continue.
Not really, it's at the very least denying them of the thing they've ultimately paid to go and see.
The stewards aren't going to do jack **** and nor are the refs, I sincerely hope players do walk off the pitch if they're receiving racist abuse, it's absolutely not tolerable in this day and age and shouldn't just be brushed under the carpet with comments like 'man up'.
Negative chants aimed at players has always been part of the game, and it always will be. Even the referees get it. Who's the B word in the black...? How is that not any worse than monkey noises? Imagine a ref walking off saying, "right, they're calling me a "b word", I'm not doing this any more".
I agree, it can't be easy to hear but as I said before, they're professionals, a highly paid ones at that, turn the other cheek and get on with the game. The offenders will be dealt with.
I agree, it can't be easy to hear but as I said before, they're professionals, a highly paid ones at that, turn the other cheek and get on with the game. The offenders will be dealt with.
I disagree. The people who go there and racially abuse players haven't gone there to see football....So they won't be denied anything other than an opportunity to be racist. However, they will have won in the sense they're stopping the targeted players from playing. No, racism shouldn't be brushed under the carpet, ever. But casual racism will always exist when people react to it. Hence the reason that football should do the talking. As I said, the line should be drawn when people are potentially in danger. But anyone in the crowd found guilty of racism at all should still be dealt with harshly.
it's not about 'manning up', it's about ignoring them, not letting it get to you as they are the ones in the wrong.
walking off wont solve it. people of the mind frame who think chanting racist or any kind of abuse will soon get bored if they get ignored. they're not going to be bothered about the game being abandoned as they're not there for the game anyway, they're there to cause trouble and feel like their pathetic little minds are having a say in things.
walking off wont solve it. people of the mind frame who think chanting racist or any kind of abuse will soon get bored if they get ignored. they're not going to be bothered about the game being abandoned as they're not there for the game anyway, they're there to cause trouble and feel like their pathetic little minds are having a say in things.
Who's pretending? It isn't different at all. Its the targeting of an individual or group and being unpleasant towards them.
I think if any players are subjected to racial abuse, every single player should walk off the pitch. I've seen first hand the effect racial abuse can have on people (My best friend committed suicide due to it.)
If UEFA and the **** that they are won't do anything about the racism in football, then the players should be united in doing something themselves.
If UEFA and the **** that they are won't do anything about the racism in football, then the players should be united in doing something themselves.
If I actually had any confidence that something else would be done about it/them I would be more inclined to follow the 'ignore it' route but given you have the chief of police on record saying that nazi salutes at games is just 'pointing' then it doesn't really inspire any sort of belief that anything will get done.
In a situation where it looks like the authorities aren't going to be prepared to take action, I have absolutely no issues with the players themselves deciding to take their own action and if that means leaving the pitch mid-game, I wholly support that.
If UEFA don't want that happening, they need to sort their **** out and make sure it isn't allowed to get to that point, rather than threatening the players with disciplinary action. Treat the problem, not the symptoms, though not having the tournament hosted in arguably one of the most racist regions in Europe would have been a better start.
In a situation where it looks like the authorities aren't going to be prepared to take action, I have absolutely no issues with the players themselves deciding to take their own action and if that means leaving the pitch mid-game, I wholly support that.
If UEFA don't want that happening, they need to sort their **** out and make sure it isn't allowed to get to that point, rather than threatening the players with disciplinary action. Treat the problem, not the symptoms, though not having the tournament hosted in arguably one of the most racist regions in Europe would have been a better start.
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Indeed, I didn't make it entirely clear but I'd hope for the team to show solidarity with their teammates.
if i saw anyone doing a nazi salute, i think i would wet my pants with laughter. i'd take a photo of them and tell them to smile!
i'm more concerned about what's going to happen off the pitch with the fans tbh. there really are some crazy fools over there.
i'm more concerned about what's going to happen off the pitch with the fans tbh. there really are some crazy fools over there.
UEFA will have an action plan in place and it will go something like this I imagine.
If a player is being abused, they should speak to the referee to draw their attention, if the referee hasn't already seen or heard it. It would then be in the referee's hands. They will be instructed to remove the players from the pitch if the abuse is bad enough or poses a danger to the players, until those guilty of the abuse are removed from the stadium.
Nazi salutes or monkey noises don't warrant that IMO, but those guilty of these things should still be removed.
I think pretty much all the games will pass without incident because the spotlight is on 2 the countries and I'm willing to bet that the police, security and UEFA will not want to be embarrassed. There may be isolated incidents in the 2 host's matches though, but I think they will be dealt with.
Lets remember, this is a footballing festival and the vast majority of people in the host countries will be proud of their country for hosting the tournament and will be nothing but impeccably behaved. I think the 2 countries will do everything they can to stop a minority of racists (who aren't football fans) from damaging their reputation and spoiling the competition. Whilst there are issues neither country has the reputation of being inherently racist, and from what I've read, racist incidents are falling. However, I do believe that if this tournament does end up highlighting racism as a big problem in the 2 countries, at least with the world watching they can't ignore it and will have to try and stamp it out. But I maintain, walking off the pitch is not the answer.
If a player is being abused, they should speak to the referee to draw their attention, if the referee hasn't already seen or heard it. It would then be in the referee's hands. They will be instructed to remove the players from the pitch if the abuse is bad enough or poses a danger to the players, until those guilty of the abuse are removed from the stadium.
Nazi salutes or monkey noises don't warrant that IMO, but those guilty of these things should still be removed.
I think pretty much all the games will pass without incident because the spotlight is on 2 the countries and I'm willing to bet that the police, security and UEFA will not want to be embarrassed. There may be isolated incidents in the 2 host's matches though, but I think they will be dealt with.
Lets remember, this is a footballing festival and the vast majority of people in the host countries will be proud of their country for hosting the tournament and will be nothing but impeccably behaved. I think the 2 countries will do everything they can to stop a minority of racists (who aren't football fans) from damaging their reputation and spoiling the competition. Whilst there are issues neither country has the reputation of being inherently racist, and from what I've read, racist incidents are falling. However, I do believe that if this tournament does end up highlighting racism as a big problem in the 2 countries, at least with the world watching they can't ignore it and will have to try and stamp it out. But I maintain, walking off the pitch is not the answer.
I'm inclined to agree with him. I don't really see how non-physical racist abuse differs from other form of verbal abuse... ? Sticks and stones? What's so awful about it? Monkey chants? So what? How is that any worse than a full football stadium targeting John Terry and his womanising?
Or are we concerned racist chanting will lead to other forms of abuse?
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It's not really the same though is it? One person is a monumental **** by choice, the other happened to be born a certain colour.
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I just love the "they're getting paid a lot of money so they are allowed to get abused" line from certain people in this thread.
At what point do you draw the line in earnings when 'legitimately' abusing someone? If you see a poor black person will you say "good morning" to them but then dole out nazi salutes and monkey noises to the wealthy black person you pass next?
At what point do you draw the line in earnings when 'legitimately' abusing someone? If you see a poor black person will you say "good morning" to them but then dole out nazi salutes and monkey noises to the wealthy black person you pass next?