European Football Leagues 2012-13 [Spain/France/Italy/Germany/other]

Winning the WC is a team effort though, I don't think any player shoudl be reprimanded for not winning that. Even if Messi achieved all that he does without winning team honours that should never be held against him.

He probably is jealous of Inesta, Xavi, Busq, Pique etc mind :p
 
Argentina have a great squad on paper but they're not set up like Barca in terms of the team being set up to supply Messi the ball in goal-scoring positions. He gets spoonfed far more chances by his team mates at Barca than he creates single-handedly which is why he's scored so many (e.g. both goals in the cup in midweek were given on a plate for him). It obviously helps when you have the best creative midfield around doing this for you.
 
Torres still makes it difficult mind :p

The commentary and punditry seems much better for Spanish football than it does for the Premiership, very sad.

Falcao's first goal was delicious, Adriano's reply was fantastic too. As soon as Barca went ahead though it was a bit dull, they're just so so good at holding the ball and forcing mistakes.
 
International footie sucks, world cups are nice to have but mean very little, the best player in the world can not ever win one and a truly crap player can.

Either way, no idea what a couple you are banging on about, Messi was quiet and not very good in this game, not poor, just not good and Adriano and Falcao's goals were FAR better than Messi's.

Just a shame for the game really, Athletico were abysmal in the second half, until the 80th minute really they basically didn't have a good attack, couldn't string more than two passes together(if that) and were playing insanely badly. The final 10 minutes they actually started passing TO each other rather than just banging it long for someone, and they got a few corners and in some decent positions.

They just completely fell apart and really didn't look a threat in the second half, after such a promising first half it was such a shame. Also suggesting the defending for that final goal was school boy defending... was just outrageously offensive to schoolboys.... backheel with Messi behind you for no reason leading straight to a goal, wow, that was a special level of retardness on display.
 
drunkenmaster said:
International footie sucks, world cups are nice to have but mean very little, the best player in the world can not ever win one and a truly crap player can.

Either way, no idea what a couple you are banging on about, Messi was quiet and not very good in this game, not poor, just not good and Adriano and Falcao's goals were FAR better than Messi's.

Just a shame for the game really, Athletico were abysmal in the second half, until the 80th minute really they basically didn't have a good attack, couldn't string more than two passes together(if that) and were playing insanely badly. The final 10 minutes they actually started passing TO each other rather than just banging it long for someone, and they got a few corners and in some decent positions.

They just completely fell apart and really didn't look a threat in the second half, after such a promising first half it was such a shame. Also suggesting the defending for that final goal was school boy defending... was just outrageously offensive to schoolboys.... backheel with Messi behind you for no reason leading straight to a goal, wow, that was a special level of retardness on display.
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Go on and score 90 goals in a calendar year please.
 
The__Malteser said:
Go on and score 90 goals in a calendar year please.
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Because that would change that Messi didn't have a great game? Did you watch it? Because if you did and you think he had a good game, I really don't know what to say. Even the commentators both mentioned he'd had a very quiet game despite the goals(one a complete gift, the other still relatively easy.

What has goals in a year got to do with THIS GAME, nothing, did I say he wasn't good anywhere, no, did I say he had a bad year, no, so why are you even mentioning a calendar year in relation to this game?
 
drunkenmaster said:
Because that would change that Messi didn't have a great game? Did you watch it? Because if you did and you think he had a good game, I really don't know what to say. Even the commentators both mentioned he'd had a very quiet game despite the goals(one a complete gift, the other still relatively easy.

What has goals in a year got to do with THIS GAME, nothing, did I say he wasn't good anywhere, no, did I say he had a bad year, no, so why are you even mentioning a calendar year in relation to this game?
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I wouldn't consider 2 goals a bad game.

Quiet does not equal bad.
 
Andybtsn said:
Winning the WC is a team effort though, I don't think any player shoudl be reprimanded for not winning that. Even if Messi achieved all that he does without winning team honours that should never be held against him.

He probably is jealous of Inesta, Xavi, Busq, Pique etc mind :p
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Didn't have much chance in the last world cup with the manager they had. His international score rate has also improve with ~12-13 this year. He didn't have a bad world cup, he was just played out of position and hit the post a few times as well as came up against inspired keepers.
 
The__Malteser said:
I wouldn't consider 2 goals a bad game.

Quiet does not equal bad.
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Well that explains a lot, I have an opinion of people who can't distinguish between quality of play and number of goals scored.

I didn't say quiet was bad, I specifically said he was NOT bad, and 2 goals has entirely no bearing at all on how poorly or brilliantly a player was playing.

Goodie said:
He had a quiet game and still came away with two goals. He can't be expected to have a worldie in every match he plays
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I don't remember saying he should, I merely said he did have a quiet game, nothing more or less, which no less than 4 separate people have to varying degree's somewhat jumped down my throat over saying all implying I meant something more than I said.

Go read it again people, Falcao and Adriano scored exceptional goals in the first half, I said it was predictable that in life someone breaks and epic record, than is shown up in the next game... I didn't suggest he was having a terrible game, and him scoring a goal doesn't change the quality of Adriano's goal. I wasn't implying anything about how good or bad Messi is nor accused him of having a bad game. Seemingly 4 different people have decided to interpet a simple remark as me having a pop at Messi :rolleyes:
 
new numa hey said:
Do these threads normally turn into Messi love/hate threads?
It's been like that recently all over the internet. I thought coming here would make it go away :(
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I don't think it's a Love/hate thing going on. i don't think anyone considers Messi overrated or anything of the like.

just he did have a quite game against Athletico, yet still came away with 2 goals. does this mean he had a good game, IMO no, he wasn't at his usual standard.

Goals do not = a good performance. Circumstance can set you up with a hat-trick and you could still have spent 99% of the game giving the ball away.

As was said though, it's very unfair to expect him to be Worldly every game, and he certainly wasn't detrimental to Barca's performance.
 
Basically it means the guy's world class in every area of forward play, he's having a bad game by his standards creatively and he still reads the game so well to get two poacher type goals.

I reckon the reason teams have so many issues with Messi is his versatility, he's not a 9, or false 9, or 10, 8, 7 .. whatever number you want to call the different roles, he's all of them at different times throughout a game. Unlike other forwards who might get asked to drop deeper or move out wide to stretch the opposition, where they look comfortable at best but not spectacular, Messi just makes it look so natural anywhere on the field.
He's developed a trait of dropping really, really deep over the last few seasons too, taking up a typical midfield position and freeing up ex: Iniesta to move up.

Its no shock that teams have the best success with compact well-drilled zonal marking...

Ahem.. it sounds a bit like a love-in so ill stop now!
 
Something for all you folks that beleive in 'FFP'

Paris Saint-Germain have clinched a massive deal with the Qatar Tourism Authority that will bring the Ligue 1 leaders more than €150 million over each of the next four seasons.

The agreement with the QTA, a body linked to the Qatari state that is aimed at promoting tourism in the Arab state, was revealed to French football's financial watchdog, the DNCG, on Tuesday, Le Parisien reports. It is not a sponsorship agreement but a "vast publicity campaign intended to promote the image of Qatar", the paper adds.

Retroactive for 2012, it will boost PSG's coffers by €150 million for the current campaign, increasing progressively to a minimum of €200 million in its final season, 2015-2016. That sum could be even larger, with the contract containing bonus clauses based on the team's performances in European competition.

The initial influx of revenue will help balance PSG's books for the current season, and keep them in line with UEFA Financial Fair Play guidelines. With European football's governing body taking into account clubs' finances as of the 2011-12 season, the deal with the QTA is a major boost for PSG. A recent France Football article had claimed nothing short of victory in the Champions League final this season would ensure the club met UEFA criteria.

Meanwhile, Javier Pastore has added to a trying week by losing his temper when attempting to enter the club's Camp des Loges training ground. The Argentina international was refused entry via the gate reserved for the use of Carlo Ancelotti and his technical staff.

Forced to perform a U-turn to park his car with those of the other PSG players, Pastore reversed - deliberately, according to L'Equipe - into the gate before parking and participating in training.

The incident comes after the publication in Italy of an interview Pastore gave to Chi magazine in which he said he was unhappy in France and vowed he would one day play for AC Milan.
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1271135/paris-saint-germain-secure-€150m-a-year-deal
 
Casillas is NOT in goal for RM tonight and is on the bench!!!


Messi has scored his 91st goal by the way.
 
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