European Football Leagues 2012-13 [Spain/France/Italy/Germany/other]

Agree.

I think they've been really, really fun to watch the past 20 or so games and have had a storming season.

In other news, Inter Milan looking unlikely to be playing any European football next season :eek:.

I think most entertaining games are between the Real, Barca, Betis and Valencia ties, but they've played great football most of the season, it just wasn't quite working for the first 5-10 games. They were really fun to watch last season as well, but the difference a year has made with Vela, the whole team and how they find each other at break neck speed on the break, there is just the extra smoothness of a team who knows each other really well this season. I think it was the third goal, a header, a back heel and a pass between two players both running absolutely full pace forwards for all three, then then both run forward at again full speed before a perfectly weighted ball in behind and the brilliant little movement that lets the ball go across the striker and fool the keeper.

THat was a goal Barca would have been incredibly proud of, very few players can play as neat football at flat out pace, let alone almost the entire team.


AS for Inter, from what I recall you had Mourinho spend heavy in wages as much as transfers, also on some older guys with no resale value like Lucio. I've said before, you've got to include the past and present managers when thinking about a club. Mourinho took over and essentially took a team playing under another manager, and for two years taught them how to shut up shop completely, play with 10 behind the ball, play anti football.

The first three months, they are still carrying form of the previous way of playing, they were still training a different way, that doesn't disappear, but 2 years later after Mourinho leaves, Inter were already a team that had forgotten how to attack properly.

Chelsea for years had the offensive players, but seemed like a team just not quite used to attacking full on. There is only so much anti football you can teach a team before the players get quite poor and aren't used to playing "proper" football. Don't forget all the players at Inter were saying that essentially in the champs league Mourinho told them to lump the ball up the field, give away possession on purpose, don't chase it, let them come back and try and break you down. It really was anti football.... there is only so long you can play a certain incredibly limited tactical way before the rest of the game falls apart.

Mourinho's teams have all had a lifespan, 2-3 years then crap falls apart, fast, and those teams tend to be in financial and mental/attitude problem from his reckless overspending and huge wage bills.

He comes in, does a job, looks at a team focuses on the strongest part, ignores the rest, gets results for a couple years then jumps ship before the team utterly collapses, IMHO. Inter having way way way less money than Chelsea/Real, will clearly cope worse with this situation, less money to buy their way out of trouble, get rid of players, replace players, etc.
 
Valencia win 4-0, too easy, Malaga lost 1-0 away from home, Real Madrid were 1-0 down, I think they got a own goal equaliser but not been watching.

Malaga result is good for Sociedad, Valencia not so much, 2 point lead, game in hand at the moment, playing Getafe on Monday I think. Really would love for them to get champs league, unlike the UK tv money outside Real/Barca is terrible, 20mil would mean so much to a club like Sociedad. So will being safely inside the top half of the table and another year in the top flight.


Ronaldo header as I type, 2-1 Real now.

EDIT:- lol, 2-2, Real are a bit of a joke really.
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EDIT:- again, 3-2 like a minute later but ruled out for offside. Games going a bit mental
 
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Finished 1-1 between Dortmund and Bayern same scoreline as the first meeting earlier in the season
 
Finished 1-1 between Dortmund and Bayern same scoreline as the first meeting earlier in the season

CL final is going to be a cracker i think, my heart says Dortmund but my head says Bayern...either way if Bayern lose again, i wont stop laughing my socks off....if Dortmund lose then they went a lot farther than what they were expected to. But i dont really mind seeing either team win...either way its going to be good as a neutral.
 
4 min's in, Vela, though probably offside, really good header though, diving header right into the corner.

EDIT:- Sociedad started well, conceded an equaliser to what was a great shot but woeful defending to give them the chance and have been a bit cack since then. Sociedad just seem off the pace all over the pitch, loose passes, not good counter attacking, poor defensively. I guess a poor performance was due, unbeaten in 16 and epic for all but a couple of those games, and they have a gap, pressure on at this stage of the season. Still hope they can grab a point, get a 3 point gap to Valencia as with head to head they will beat Valencia or Malaga if they finish on the same points.
 
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Sociedad blew it the other night, though they have Granada next monday which in usual circumstances would be a thrashing. Malaga though, I forget the Sociedad score, 4-1, 4-2 or something, then Valencia went and made it 5-1 I think, and Real Madrid just beat them 6-2 and they got two red cards in the process of being utterly thrashed. They were 4th and are now adrift in 6th with no chance at all of 4th. 5 points down on 4th having played a game more, the head to head vs Valencia(probably) and Sociedad(definitely) is a loser for them and in the past few games their goal difference has dropped through the floor.

Only 4 points ahead of Betis, 6 ahead Getafe and 7 ahead of Sevilla, teams that all have a game in hand and can get ahead. Malaga have to play Sevilla in their current awful form and the resurgent Deportivo.

Conceded 24 and only scored 12 in the last 11 games, with only 3 wins and 2 draws, losing to anyone, badly, who were opposing them for European places. They were playing some decent football, if its purely about not being paid so they can't be arsed, they are pathetic. They are happy to take stupid wages when an idiot owner doesn't know what he's doing, then upset when they can't maintain the wages and so don't bother playing football any more. Surely they should be playing to show off how good they are to get a move away if thats what they want, anyway, team of mercenaries falls apart when the money stops flowing is how its coming across.
 
omg shock horror, it was so close, down to the wire.

barca need to rebuild so badly its not even funny.

ability to run with the ball > tika taka nonsense.

Yet once again they are struggling without Messi, Bayern could lose 2-3 key players for an entire season and still be almost as good and still win the league. Barca without Messi have a very weak defence, a declining master in Xavi, Villa, Abidal quite likely to leave, Puyol on his last legs, epic for years, constantly coming back form injury both means he's barely playing and not the same when he does.

Without Messi they've looked pretty painfully average in all but one game against bottom of the league, they got what can only be described as humiliated in the champs league by a team that isn't reliant on a single player.

What happens if Messi breaks a leg over summer and misses a season or heck, ends a career, the team apart from him isn't bad, sure, but is it title capable, will it win the champs league? Barcelona have supposedly the highest wage bill in all football, they have a turnover of something around 400-500mil, they are huge, they aren't Wigan, their goal EVERY year regardless of who might be injured is to win a couple titles, league and CL if possible, others if not.

The defence DOES need rebuilding, because at least one of the defence is leaving and one is constantly injured now and no one comes close to the quality of Puyol and Abidal, and with 2-3 other players quite possibly leaving that is already a number of players that actually do need replacing, and thats before you consider who else should be replaced because of quality, Song, Pedro, Alba isn't particularly good defensively. Bantra looks potentially decent for hte future, Pique needs flat out replacing, he's awful, Valdes is off and needs replacing.
 
My thoughts on Barca are that for all the talk about how amazing Pep was for Barca, he has done a Jose on the team and finances. He wasted a lot of money on players that have not worked out for whatever reason which has left them short of funds to strengths in the areas where they really are weak i.e. defense and xavi. There is no obvious replacement for xavi though the 19yo kid is looking very good though i doubt the youth system can produce 3 world No1 midfield maestros in succession.

There is also a lack of new ideas coming through hence why tito was the wrong choice for the club. Again there were few people that could do the job but they had 9months to find someone and it would have been like the ManU job in that no one could refuse if their door was knocked. Teams now know that without Messi there is nothing to fear, Athletico were running rings around the full backs esp the right side.
 
Lol anyone watching ac Milan? Down to 10 men muntari sent off. Balo on a yellow diving everywhere. Referee has warned the crowd about racism. Laser pens in the eyes. Italian football.
 
Lol anyone watching ac Milan? Down to 10 men muntari sent off. Balo on a yellow diving everywhere. Referee has warned the crowd about racism. Laser pens in the eyes. Italian football.

Sounds good. :o

You really chose the wrong game to commentate.

One of the most boring games I watched in my life. Seriously. I'm actually very bored and tired after that. It never happened.

Watch the Coppa Italia final if you want to watch a real game of Italian football :D
 
I think most entertaining games are between the Real, Barca, Betis and Valencia ties, but they've played great football most of the season, it just wasn't quite working for the first 5-10 games. They were really fun to watch last season as well, but the difference a year has made with Vela, the whole team and how they find each other at break neck speed on the break, there is just the extra smoothness of a team who knows each other really well this season. I think it was the third goal, a header, a back heel and a pass between two players both running absolutely full pace forwards for all three, then then both run forward at again full speed before a perfectly weighted ball in behind and the brilliant little movement that lets the ball go across the striker and fool the keeper.

THat was a goal Barca would have been incredibly proud of, very few players can play as neat football at flat out pace, let alone almost the entire team.


AS for Inter, from what I recall you had Mourinho spend heavy in wages as much as transfers, also on some older guys with no resale value like Lucio. I've said before, you've got to include the past and present managers when thinking about a club. Mourinho took over and essentially took a team playing under another manager, and for two years taught them how to shut up shop completely, play with 10 behind the ball, play anti football.

The first three months, they are still carrying form of the previous way of playing, they were still training a different way, that doesn't disappear, but 2 years later after Mourinho leaves, Inter were already a team that had forgotten how to attack properly.

Chelsea for years had the offensive players, but seemed like a team just not quite used to attacking full on. There is only so much anti football you can teach a team before the players get quite poor and aren't used to playing "proper" football. Don't forget all the players at Inter were saying that essentially in the champs league Mourinho told them to lump the ball up the field, give away possession on purpose, don't chase it, let them come back and try and break you down. It really was anti football.... there is only so long you can play a certain incredibly limited tactical way before the rest of the game falls apart.

Mourinho's teams have all had a lifespan, 2-3 years then crap falls apart, fast, and those teams tend to be in financial and mental/attitude problem from his reckless overspending and huge wage bills.

He comes in, does a job, looks at a team focuses on the strongest part, ignores the rest, gets results for a couple years then jumps ship before the team utterly collapses, IMHO. Inter having way way way less money than Chelsea/Real, will clearly cope worse with this situation, less money to buy their way out of trouble, get rid of players, replace players, etc.

What a load of ******** the only ''anti-football'' match Inter played that entire year was devoted to the one game against Barca... a 2nd leg where they had a 2 goal advantage and were down to 10 men and were essentially forced to go even more extreme than already planned. The fact we held on (barely of course as some argue Bojans goal should have stood) is irrelevant to the fact that Barca couldn't break us down they had 90 minutes to do it and failed. Anti-football is a shocking term to use anyway as there's no such thing, some philosophical tripe fed to the masses. Our best team ever is founded on the best defence imaginable (Catenaccio)

There's a difference between ruthlessness and having no attacking dimension whatsoever which was certainly the case in that Barca match. Your comments about Mourinho's style once again focused on a single game over a 60 game treble winning season is horrible insight, I hate the fact so many people see a team once or twice over a whole season and that's the image engulfed in peoples minds... shocking really but it doesn't surprise me.

Mourinho's Inter side was 100% built and focused on quick transitions and getting Milito into as many scoring positions as possible when we'd hit the opposition with a 4-5 pass counter attack with 5 onrushing players in support, not even mentioning a then beast like Maicon marauding down the right side of the pitch 24/7 to open up options during dominant phases of games.

The fact clubs have collapsed has nothing to do with Mourinho and everything to do with the lack of foresight these clubs have shown post Mourinho.. why were these teams do dominant under him only for things to go **** up ?

This Real Madrid side he's constructed will likely only get better if the core group stays, will Mourinho get praise then ? I doubt it and nor should he.

I should probably finish with the 1st Italian treble in Italian Football ? is anything but the definition of Anti-Football. The best Inter side I've ever seen was that Mourinho team in his 2nd year, if not through pure talent then through sheer power of will the players and managers forged over that season, one of the all time best sides and often labelled as Anti-football a shocking tag for the greatest Inter side I've had the pleasure of seeing.
 
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