European Grand Prix 2012, Valencia - Race 8/20

Skeeter said:
Half a second last year was 1 or 2 places.

Half a second this year is 10 places.

That's pretty much the root cause of everything we have seen this year that people label as 'random'.
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We can say it as many times as we like, but some people will still refuse to hear it.
 
Duke said:
Mclaren seem to think they've solved the issue with JB - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100515
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I'm going with one of two possibilities, they let Button do his setup in practice, then just stick Hamilton's setup on Button's car and don't tell him or two, they just make Hamilton a bit slower :p

Serious answer comes across as something quite simple, there is no problem with the car, Hamilton's setup works, Button's doesn't.... Button has no clue how to set up a car for that last half second of speed.... didn't matter with Brawn when he had such a humoungous lead to start with, didn't matter in the past two years when there was no one really close to Mclaren(behind them that is) with the fast cars basically ahead of them, this season that same time is costing him real places.

Fact is I've never once watched Button and thought, great drive, aggressive race, he'd have beaten anyone, never once.

Even the much talked about last year's Canada, Hamilton was faster, spun, and was catching Button hand over fist when Hamilton hit him in the back/Button put him in the wall. Before a safety car, bad weather and a fluky pitstop he was running last IIRC. He then passed half the field in the pits and did rather what Hamilton did at the end of Canada, caught cars with rubbish tyres ridiculously easily. That isn't good driving, 5 seconds a lap faster isn't great driving.
 
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Skeeter said:
Jake is doing the Olympic coverage too, so if the BBC have one then it will be Lee's gig.
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Unfortunately for her they don't as both Germany and Hungary are highlight races then it's the August break!

Presume Lineker and co must be flying out to Ukraine for Englands quarter final so they don't need Jake on the spot anymore, bit odd to change plans at the 11th hour though really. Imagine Lee must have done a fair bit of prep for presenting the race.
 
F1 weekend woohoo :D

Thanks Duke.

Really really hoping Jenson can turn his season around here this weekend!
 
NathanE said:
Ultimate insult for a race driver when he has to copy his team mate's setup :(
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Didn't Button 'steal' Rubens setup a few times in 2009 and go on to win the race?

Theres no insult in it at all. Its just data sharing within a team. Its even part of the plan on Fridays, especially with test drivers. One guy works on a new setup while the other guy works on something else, and then if the new setup is good, its transferred to the other guys car.

Its a surprise its taken McLaren this long, tbh.
 
Set up is very individual though mostly. Sure he might get a baseline from Lewis if he can't manage it himself but he will still need to tweak it to his driving style.
 
McLaren have made a big deal since Jenson joined about the two sides working together, removing the centre partition between the drivers and having all the engineers in the middle. Was it all just for show and PR?
 
Kevin Clark said:
Rumour has it they've only sold 22,000 tickets for Sunday. Eek!
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They have taken down a bunch of grandstands in an attempt to make the place look more full, too.

Spunkey said:
Maybe they changed the policy of intra-team sharing after the Alonso/Hamilton debacle, and it's only really now that they've needed to bring it back.
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They have been sharing between the sides of the garage all the time with the Button/Hamilton partnership. They shared engineers and everything. Arguably they shared too much when drivers were swapping race engineers almost every weekend.
 
Skeeter said:
They have been sharing between the sides of the garage all the time with the Button/Hamilton partnership. They shared engineers and everything. Arguably they shared too much when drivers were swapping race engineers almost every weekend.
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So why are you surprised it took them so long as you said above, if they have been sharing all this time?
 
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