European Grand Prix 2012, Valencia - Race 8/20

etc is just too much, when he bashed Perez at Monaco on purpose with malice then there was hardly a ripple on here about it, now that was an issue he needed banned for.

I think quite a few people said he needed to hang up his racing gloves after that incident as well.

Especially as the damage to Perez's car appears to have dumped him out of qualifying.

The thing that annoys me is that if McLaren hadn't screwed up the pit stop, Hamilton *probably* wouldn't have been in the position to be crashed into by PM.
 
Just like Hamilton was on the racing line on this occasion.
picture above show otherwise

anyway there is a huge difference to "being on the racing line " with someone clearly ahead of you right at your side (as picture shows)" to a car coming across on the racing line, and the driver behind just getting his front wing level with the back wheel (going for a gap which was never there in the 1st place)
 
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Rubbish track but amusing race, deliberately held off watching it till monday night and generally enjoyed it for hundreds of mad mistakes.

I do miss the odd break down denying a decent result for a big "NOOOOOO", it's been ages since there's been one (Perez and that slip in Malaysia wasn't quite the same) and Roman really made me shout it (and shouting "that's what you get" at Vettel was fun).

Breakdowns and crashes always liven up a terrible track, maybe that's why old (pre 2000) F1 never really had a "bad" track in the same way, there would always be a "rookie" mistake or a massive engine failure to make us more entertained.
 
Yeah, the constant threat of the coverage cutting to a massive plume of white smoke kept you on your toes. But then listening to Alan McNish talk about how Toyota in 2002 were going through 400 engines a year I can understand why more reliable engines are better for the sport.
 
Yeah, the constant threat of the coverage cutting to a massive plume of white smoke kept you on your toes. But then listening to Alan McNish talk about how Toyota in 2002 were going through 400 engines a year I can understand why more reliable engines are better for the sport.

They were a new team back then though, and that was in the days of unlimited testing.
 
They were a new team back then though, and that was in the days of unlimited testing.

And unlimited budgets...

The teams are crying at the (apparently) 'ridiculously high' price that the 1.6 Turbos will cost, and that's only for 16 engines a year!

Having unreliable engines that meant you needed to buy a lot more would price a lot of teams off the grid.
 
And unlimited budgets...

Toyota wasted a lot of money on Ralf Schumacher for a handful of podiums :p

The teams are crying at the (apparently) 'ridiculously high' price that the 1.6 Turbos will cost, and that's only for 16 engines a year!

That's bull. They should see how little money CART spent even in its heyday and they were within 5 seconds of F1 laptimes at Montreal with heavier cars. Indycar today is a broke series, not F1. Most of the teams have a smaller budget than Caterham.
 
Thats my point. All the complaining coming from the padock about how the 1.6 turbos are going to be so expensive that anyone other than the manufacturer teams will have to leave F1 is just rubbish.

Its just a hollow excuse to cover up that nobody likes the 1.6 turbo idea, and I think thats pathetic. F1 needs to get with the times. When IndyCar is running a more 'real world' relevant engine than F1 you know something up.
 
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