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Pointless if they can't deliver every time though
European Grand Prix 2012, Valencia - Race 8/20
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Pointless if they can't deliver every time though
that coming from you? never would have thought it.
Clearly Lewis then has been watching videos of other champions that also have this mentality
Yep.
They need to apply that thinking to their jacks! Can't believe the had it fail a number if times in practice, yet still decided to use it during the race!
Can anyone remember how many botched pitstops McLaren have made so far this year?
that coming from you? never would have thought it.
Clearly Lewis then has been watching videos of other champions that also have this mentality
to much senna if you ask me
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IT doesn't, it goes to show that going after 0.2seconds saved, leads to losing 7-8 seconds CONSISTENTLY. If they went for a solid 3.5second stop and they accomplished that with NO mistakes this season Hamilton would likely have 30-40 more points, at least(likely a lot more).
It's the very trying for sub 3 second stops that is leading to mistakes. Lets have a new jack, the oldest piece of kit in racing, to try and shave a split second.... and that decision directly led to a 14 second pit stop. Old jack, old parts, solid 3.5second pit stops and Mclaren would be a much stronger team.
When Lewis fans won't even accept that Lewis pushed Pastor wide off the track then you know it's really time just to leave them too itPastor had the edge he would have had the inside for the next corner, Lewis knew this so forced him wide hoping it would cost Pastor time.
Again, explain where Hamilton would go.
Its this simple, Hamilton went into the corner first, he was NOT on the racing line, he could not physically take the corner tight, because he was closer to the inside, off the racing line he COULD NOT have gone tighter through the corner, he did not force Maldonado off the track in any way shape or form. He went into the corner, he commited to the line he took, he could not have left any more room turning and THEN Maldonado decided to brake later and try and go around into a non existent gap.
If Maldonado was ahead, and Hamilton slowed later and couldn't make the turn it would have been entirely his fault, but Hamilton went in first.
People keep suggesting Hamilton could have half way through a turn, magically have gained some missing grip and braking power to slow by 50% and make the turn much tighter. Ignoring the laws of physics changing for that corner alone, Hamilton could not have gone any tighter through that corner, its as simple as that, if he had much fresher tyres which would let him slow down further and turn tighter, possibly.
Folling a car you KNOW is sliding all over the place with zero grip and throwing yourself into a very tight corner, late, when you know the other driver won't have good grip around the corner is suicidal, nothing more or less.
He's followed Hamilton for almost a lap watching the car slide in and out of every corner, who here would honestly throw themselves on the wide side of a car with no grip in that corner?
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The mistakes would likely still happen, they will have just lost even more time because the stop was slower in the first place.
Is it that simple?
I have heard Karun say Lewis squeezed Pastor to the outside, and DC also said it in commentary, but really what do F1 drivers know
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Strange...
Last time they were close together, I remember Button not leaving Hamilton any room...
Got it in one.
Those of you trying to back up their original incorrect assertions with increasingly ridiculous arguments really do need help. Like you're going to get away with purposely mis-quoting Martin Whitmarsh on here...
You can look at historical incidents such as the Prost/Senna Japanese GP run-ins from 89/90 and look at them a number of different ways. Not so in this case. Hamilton was defending strongly but didn't put a wheel out of line. Maldonardo as he is prone to do (see Belgium 2011) got a red mist and screwed up. On his day he's very good (Spain 2012, Australia 2012 until the last lap), however unfortunately he has this habit of flipping out and messing up other people's day in a few seconds of madness.
Yes he was, it's called the brake pedal.
No, he ended up there because he didn't use his brake pedal and instead continued racing off of the circuit.
No he was not he had a break pedal throughout the whole move, he chose not to use it and ultimately collide with Hamilton instead.
It's called not knowing when you're beaten, a better racing driver would have backed off and tried again later, Maldonado's attitude was to 'do or die' in that one attempt. If it was Monaco and there were no stupid run offs he would have braked the instant he saw the door closing.
It's pretty shocking how lacking in race craft F1 drivers seem to be today, 10yr old kids in go-karts seem to be better able to race without punting each other off if they fail at the first attempt.
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Is it that simple?
It was a demon late braking manoeuvre, no doubt cherry picked at the just the right moment in the picture above. Maldonardo was nowhere near a sensible position for pulling the move off heading into the braking zone. Now if the majority of his car was ahead (i.e. more than half) at said picture point he might have had a chance if Hamilton had allowed him room. A foot of front wing isn't that, on the outside of the circuit, while Hamilton is allowing the minimum amount of room required.
I have heard Karun say Lewis squeezed Pastor to the outside, and DC also said it in commentary, but really what do F1 drivers know
Like commentators can't be wrong occasionally? Squeezing is allowed. Pushing him off, or ramming Schumacher style is not.
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Cherry picked? come of it, go watch it all you like Pastor was ahead in braking for the corner, that's just a fact. Alonso went round Webber in turn 1 much the same way, so why are you saying it was not a sensible position?
They can be wrong, but it's clear Lewis did squeeze him and run him out of track, its a bread and butter standard manoeuvre you will see in any GP, I remember Lewis doing it brilliantly at Germany 2008 at the hairpin to Massa and someone else.
They can be wrong, but it's clear Lewis did squeeze him and run him out of track, its a bread and butter standard manoeuvre you will see in any GP, I remember Lewis doing it brilliantly at Germany 2008 at the hairpin to Massa and someone else.
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Some people will just say anything if it means they can have a go at Hamilton...
They haven't had a chance for the first few races, so this one incident has unleashed the pent up torrent of Hamilton hate.
It'll calm down in time.
They haven't had a chance for the first few races, so this one incident has unleashed the pent up torrent of Hamilton hate.
It'll calm down in time.
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That works both ways though...and usually with their favourite team/driver, not just Hamilton.
Indeed. I don't get the Hamilton hate, therefore I've repeatedly been labelled a Hamilton fanboi on here whilst discussing him in the past.
I've no allegiances whatsoever, other than to enjoy the sport.
Join the club. If you don't hate him, that must mean you are a super fanboy
.It seems to be an OcUK thing where only polar extreme arguments are allowed.
My main issue is with those saying Pastor aimed to hit him, done it because he is racist (yes someone said that) etc etc, it was Pastors fault no denying it, but it was not something done out of malice or intention, we are spending hours over it, these guys have a split second to decide on something, sometimes it works out ok, other times it end's wrong.
Calling for him to be banned etc is just too much, when he bashed Perez at Monaco on purpose with malice then there was hardly a ripple on here about it, now that was an issue he needed banned for.
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Join the club. If you don't hate him, that must mean you are a super fanboy
It seems to be an OcUK thing where only polar extreme arguments are allowed.
Polar extremes - now that sums up this place pretty well