European Grand Prix 2012, Valencia - Race 8/20
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I find it a great track layout, but not something that is good to watch as a spectator. For me the worst track by far is Monaco. It only there because of what was, and the money, but that is just my view on it.
*gets ready for hate storm*
maldonado more than alongside but we all know hamiltons blind and the mirrors never work when its him
both heading to the corner
hamiltong obviously going straight
turns at the last second giving maldonado no room
hamilton still crowding maldonado outside the white lines that define the edge of the track
FIA REGS
20.4 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.
hamilton is innocent? LOL he clearly crowds maldonado beyond the edge of the track
hamilton broke rule 20.4
maldonado broke rule 20.2
claiming hamilton is innocent is a joke
if hamilton didnt break rule 20.4 they would both have got around the corner without incident which is why i believe hamilton caused it to happen
hamilton does this and everyone is fine with it?
schumacher does similar to rubens but barely leaves him enough space and msc is the devil? fanboy blinkers on?
both heading to the corner
hamiltong obviously going straight
turns at the last second giving maldonado no room
hamilton still crowding maldonado outside the white lines that define the edge of the track
FIA REGS
20.4 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.
hamilton is innocent? LOL he clearly crowds maldonado beyond the edge of the track
hamilton broke rule 20.4
maldonado broke rule 20.2
claiming hamilton is innocent is a joke
if hamilton didnt break rule 20.4 they would both have got around the corner without incident which is why i believe hamilton caused it to happen
hamilton does this and everyone is fine with it?
schumacher does similar to rubens but barely leaves him enough space and msc is the devil? fanboy blinkers on?
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The FIA decided he was.
and the FIA are always correct? those picture tell their own story one where both cars were equal going into the corner and one car squeezing the other outside the track.
theres no way hamilton didnt know malonado was alongside
maldonado more than alongside but we all know
This for me shows that Hamilton purposely squeezed him out of track...
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It doesn't Arknor is conviniently ignoring the pictures 2 seconds before. Here's a small hint, F1 cars don't stop in 5 metres, Maldonado is alongside as Hamilton has already started breaking BEFORE that first picture. Hamilton didn't crowd him out, look at the pictures look at the direction of the car in the first picture and the last, its a very tight corner, from the fastest/longest straight on the tract. Just because there is road to Hamilton's right IN NO WAY means he could actually be on it. When you turn the wheel to the right at X speed there is only so quickly you can turn, its that simple.
Arknor is saying Hamilton crowded him out because he could turn tighter than you know, physics allows. Again I'll point out that, Hamilton had gone tyres at this point, less grip and tighter turning = the back end going out. What would have happened to Maldonado through that corner if Hamilton went tighter than was sensible, what would happen to any drive, the back end goes out and the car stops turning as it loses control, what would have happened... Maldonado would have gotten smashed.
Hamilton had no grip Maldonado knew this before braking late to jump into a gap that wasn't there against a car struggling like hell for grip. No one in their right mind would jump to the outside of a guy with no grip taking a very tight corner.
SO Maldonado WASN'T there when Hamilton broke, and the second Hamilton(or any drive at ANY corner) picks a line and brakes they have commited to the corner, the speed they will take that corner, the LINE they will take that corner, now tight they will take that corner.
Maldonado had the choice to brake and follow, Hamilton DIDN'T, he was commited to the corner with no options left, except jam the brake, which would lock up, go straight on and smash Maldonado, or take the corner as safely as his line/speed would allow. Maldonado tried a late move on the outside of a corner with no space with a car that had no grip and had a HUGE chance of losing control, slipping, ending up very wide. Maldonado knew ALL of this before he tried the move.
This pretty much sums it up..
Hamilton was clearly on the edge, he isn't going to drive around with 10% in hand..
Maldo was showing low levels of race craft and awareness and decided to put his car on the outside leaving him no where to go, a diminishing gap, with a car sliding around on it's tyres..
He decided to keep his foot in off the circuit and re-joined dangerously..
Simple as that..
Rule 20.4 is for DELIBERATE crowding.. being on the limit and following the racing line in a corner are not deliberate..
Anyone saying Lewis did not squeeze the space for Pastor is just blind really, but as said it's long gone now and people should move on. Alonso make a move round the outside of Webber into turn 1, the difference was Webber respected it and gave him the room, Lewis never, simple really. Lewis was not on the racing line, he was wide, very wide.
Pastor could easily have just let Lewis take him out into the corner, Lewis was on the inside but moves into the braking zone to squeeze the space further, anyone can see that from the video's unless as said they are blind
Pastor could easily have just let Lewis take him out into the corner, Lewis was on the inside but moves into the braking zone to squeeze the space further, anyone can see that from the video's unless as said they are blind
Yeah I overall agree the limit and reliability of the engines has helped a lot (the Toyota example is the worst of how it could be), but I think the FIA missed an opportunity to help it out by leaving the rev limit in F1. Take that out and let engines develop a little but with the tight usage limits could make it more entertaining...
Probably wont work though, like the 1.6 turbos.
well imo you HAVE to take the whole manouvre into the equation to assess the situation fairly, not just the last few seconds
Well considering how lenient they were with Maldonado imo means they think he wasnt the only one at fault.....
Anyone saying Lewis did not squeeze the space for Pastor is just blind really, but as said it's long gone now and people should move on. Alonso make a move round the outside of Webber into turn 1, the difference was Webber respected it and gave him the room, Lewis never, simple really. Lewis was not on the racing line, he was wide, very wide.
Pastor could easily have just let Lewis take him out into the corner, Lewis was on the inside but moves into the braking zone to squeeze the space further, anyone can see that from the video's unless as said they are blind
Exactly
and FYI, imo , it isnt LH hate at all, Im not Pro or anti either driver - just analyzing the whole incident from beginning to end (not just a few seconds of it like a number of people here want to do)
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Out of curiousity, which line would people say is the most natural into the corner? Lewis or Pastors?
After all people have been saying Lewis held the racing line, from that picture it looks to me that Pastor has the better line for the faster turn in and exit?
Not that I want to stir it up again but I found that sequence of shots interesting
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Out of curiousity, which line would people say is the most natural into the corner? Lewis or Pastors?
After all people have been saying Lewis held the racing line, from that picture it looks to me that Pastor has the better line for the faster turn in and exit?
Not that I want to stir it up again but I found that sequence of shots interesting
Probably somewhere inbetween them by the looks of it. Either of those lines could work though.