Poll: European Grand Prix 2017, Baku - Race 8/20

Rate the 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix out of ten

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timmeh said:
Sorry, I'm out on my phone but here you go
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If you ignore the fact he was at about 56kph at the apex and that he didn't brake right out of the corner at all and just take one before the corner. Look at his line, watch the video if anything he took the corner a little hot and scrubbed a little speed to get more turn in, at the apex he was going fairly wide. Regardless, from apex to contact was like a 4-5kph difference, before the corner is irrelevant. If Vettel wasn't expecting him to brake or lose speed as the car turns then Vettel would have to be retarded. A car turning generally loses speed. Also as he approached the end of the lap everyone would expect him to back the pack up as happens under every single safety car regardless of who is leading.

If Hamilton braked after the corner and Vettel accelerated then braked, how did Perez not hit the back of Vettel or at least come really close... because everyone else knew what was coming and had time to react to the guy in front but Vettel misjudged it and screwed up?

There is no benefit to Hamilton brake checking, the only outcome if he gets damage to a unfixable part of the car and maybe a puncture while Vettel gets a broken wing which is extremely easily replaced. When Vettel is leading a race and has a SC< he backs up the pack, so does Alonso, so would anyone. Vettel either got distracted and forgot it or, forgot the SC was coming in that lap, don't know. His reaction after the race. He specifically stated Hamilton accelerated than braked out of the corner, which is categorically not true.
 
413x said:
Should have been disqualified for the bump. He basically got road rage. What message does that send to young drivers.

Great race though!
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To any drivers tbh. So much for the FIA and their road safety campaign. Prats. This is why I barely watch it anymore, like someone above said, it is more like wrestling. All so manipulated, and that is just the stuff we see.
 
Vettel can cry about getting brake tested as often as he likes, the stewards looked at the telemetry and said that wasn't the case. He made a mistake running into the back of Hamilton, and is now insisting it wasn't his fault to justify his road-rage incident.

I'm waiting for the next Vettel incident to see if the FIA have the guts to give him the race suspension for hitting his maximum license points.
 
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Steampunk said:
Vettel can cry about getting brake tested as often as he likes, the stewards looked at the telemetry and said that wasn't the case. He made a mistake running into the back of Hamilton, and is now insisting it wasn't his fault to justify his road-rage incident.
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Even if he was brake checked, his response was childish. A shame, I thought he had grown out of this. Same old Vettel.
 
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Hamilton cleared by data, did the same speed on the earlier and the later restarts, Vettel only accelerated there so that Hamilton could not trick him like he did on the first restart where there was a huge gap right away.


What prevented a DSQ for Vettel was that they felt he acted on the impulse that he was brake tested and they did not want to interfere in the WDC.


They were really close to DSQing him though.
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If the above is true, the FIA are basically fixing the wdc
 
Well, whatever respect I had for Vettel (which wasn't much as you're only a 4-time champ cos of the car!!) had gone. I can't think of any other driver EVER pulling this petulant act.
And only a 10s penalty?!?!
1994 British GP: A certain Mr M Schumacher (another German....) overtook Hill on the parade lap and was black-flagged. (He ignored it but still got 3-race ban!)
Now even if you ram someone you get a 10s penalty. Spineless 21 century stewarding....
Still, would have been tasty in the pre-podium room if they both made top 3...
Also, can an more action be taken Post-race?
 
I wonder what would have happened if Vettel's deliberate side swipe actually damaged either Hamilton's or both their cars to the point where it affected the race. I suppose on paper, nothing. The reason for this is because you have to look at the incident in isolation to any previous incident. The alleged brake test (that wasn't) becomes irrelevant because they are adults - not to mention the world's best drivers - that should be able to deal with race incidents like that. No sympathy or justification can be taken into account in the analysis of Vettel's actions. Therefore, it should be looked at for what it was solely, which was road rage on the F1 circuit, with the world watching. That's unacceptable. It's a disqualification instantly. A black flag.

The precedent has been set at a horrible place...a place where someone can deliberately attack another driver with their vehicle and practically get away with it. On the basis of only getting a 10 second stop/go, anybody may as well have a pop at anyone. Bonus points for actually forcing a retirement, as then the penalty can't even be applied!

Ridiculous. Vettel...can't stand him.
 
jaybee said:
I wonder what would have happened if Vettel's deliberate side swipe actually damaged either Hamilton's or both their cars to the point where it affected the race. I suppose on paper, nothing. The reason for this is because you have to look at the incident in isolation to any previous incident. The alleged brake test (that wasn't) becomes irrelevant because they are adults - not to mention the world's best drivers - that should be able to deal with race incidents like that. No sympathy or justification can be taken into account in the analysis of Vettel's actions. Therefore, it should be looked at for what it was solely, which was road rage on the F1 circuit, with the world watching. That's unacceptable. It's a disqualification instantly. A black flag.

The precedent has been set at a horrible place...a place where someone can deliberately attack another driver with their vehicle and practically get away with it. On the basis of only getting a 10 second stop/go, anybody may as well have a pop at anyone. Bonus points for actually forcing a retirement, as then the penalty can't even be applied!

Ridiculous. Vettel...can't stand him.
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I think you should look at it as three separate infractions:

1. Vettel driving into the back of Hamilton. That's just a racing incident from Vettel not paying enough attention.
2. Overtaking the lead (safety) car under yellow flags. I'm pretty sure Vettels nose went in front of Hamilton's car when he drove up to rant at him. That in itself is worth a penalty, at least a drive through, more likely a 10 second stop-go when you consider the circumstances ie, was driven by Vettel's rage.
2. Deliberately driving into the side of Hamilton's car. Totally unacceptable, and should have been black flagged, and disqualified. 3 points on his licence.

So as far as I can tell, Vettel really didn't get punishment for 1 or 3, just 2, and that is totally wrong.
 
1 isn't a racing incident though, they were under a safety car and Ham hadn't restarted the race at full pace, they weren't racing at that point. A collision under safety car is a big deal and should be a penalty in and of itself. If you just drive into the back of someone because you brake too late in real racing conditions you can get a penalty, small collisions aren't just racing incidents, intent/situation determines if it's accidental/just bad luck or if it's penalised. Hitting someone under a safety car is not acceptable in those conditions. Rain, difficult braking, aquaplaning then maybe, but dry, easy and Hamilton doing the same thing he did on previous restarts, no chance.
 
drunkenmaster said:
1 isn't a racing incident though, they were under a safety car and Ham hadn't restarted the race at full pace, they weren't racing at that point. A collision under safety car is a big deal and should be a penalty in and of itself. If you just drive into the back of someone because you brake too late in real racing conditions you can get a penalty, small collisions aren't just racing incidents, intent/situation determines if it's accidental/just bad luck or if it's penalised. Hitting someone under a safety car is not acceptable in those conditions. Rain, difficult braking, aquaplaning then maybe, but dry, easy and Hamilton doing the same thing he did on previous restarts, no chance.
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Good points. I agree with you.
 
I've now caught the Sky race highlights and Sky news and they are presenting/reporting the incident as Hamilton having braked, what's with the fake news? lazy journalism? I feel like I'm living in a parallel reality.
 
I just looked at the footage more carefully, Hamilton does indeed tap the brakes on corner exit, but only after he was hit.
Either the impact caused his foot to tap the brake pedal, or he just covered the brakes as a reaction to the hit.
He was on the brakes during the corner, presumably to put some extra temp into them before the long wait for the safety car get away as he drives slowly.
Nothing unusual, Vettel screwed up, Twice. Badly.
FIA made an error here.
 
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