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Can someone help answer a question.

I think I'm starting to understand how the Tesla supercharger system works in tandem with the cars navigation and works out when and where to charge, if a charger is functioning and available etc.

On a non Tesla car does the navigation system work in the same way?

Im trying understand the advantage of a Tesla over other brands.
 
Can someone help answer a question.

I think I'm starting to understand how the Tesla supercharger system works in tandem with the cars navigation and works out when and where to charge, if a charger is functioning and available etc.

On a non Tesla car does the navigation system work in the same way?

Im trying understand the advantage of a Tesla over other brands.
Vary variable car to car and brand to brand.

Some will be aware of charging points and allow route planning. Problem is is they're all unreliable. It won't know about which chargers are busy/broken/new. It's much more reliable to use Zapmap.

My understanding is Tesla will optimise the battery as you're approaching the supercharger and balance the demand at peak times across different sites. This is unique.
 
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Slightly random question. Due to the unusual layout of my property, if I ever wanted a charge point installing, I would effectively need a lot of cable running down a large alleyway, which is next to where I park my car. This would then need to be fastened to a fence post, probably.

Is this going to pose a massive problem and/or cost a great deal? I can't park my car alongside my house. I would estimate the outdoor wiring would need to be a good 30 metres or so...
 
Slightly random question. Due to the unusual layout of my property, if I ever wanted a charge point installing, I would effectively need a lot of cable running down a large alleyway, which is next to where I park my car. This would then need to be fastened to a fence post, probably.

Is this going to pose a massive problem and/or cost a great deal? I can't park my car alongside my house. I would estimate the outdoor wiring would need to be a good 30 metres or so...

depends what you call " a great deal". Standard charge is around £30 per metre so an extra £900
 
You can just run your own cable and leave enough excess to work with as well, https://shop.evchargersdirect.co.uk/products/6mm-x-3core-swa-cat6a-ev-cable-25-to-250-meters - that one also carries CAT6a along side the power so you don't need to think about Wi-Fi or 4G/5G connectivity if buying a compatible charger.
That is a very good shout. I'm tempted to plan ahead and get the cable in for the inevitable charge point before spending a fortune getting the garden landscaped.
 
That's not too bad, I was thinking it would be a pain if it was going to cost 5 grand or something.
A zappi install from Octopus for up to 30m of cable would be about £1,238 - they used ultra ev cable on my install which has the data cable built in.

This works out as £1,049 for a standard install + £189 for the extra cable run. Details here: https://octopus.energy/services/standard-ev-install/

Not too bad - they won't dig trenches or anything though as part of that. They were significantly cheaper than anyone else for my install (standard install £1,049) so if you do want to get one installed would recommend them.
 
My EV charger is about 20m from its consumer unit and goes underground to a detached garage. It was a bit more than a standard install but not much, a couple of hundred. They lifted the slabs, dug the hole and made good.

It’s will be fine. A surface mounted cable will only take them a couple of hours to run.

Can someone help answer a question.

I think I'm starting to understand how the Tesla supercharger system works in tandem with the cars navigation and works out when and where to charge, if a charger is functioning and available etc.

On a non Tesla car does the navigation system work in the same way?

Im trying understand the advantage of a Tesla over other brands.

The Tesla system is super simple as an end user.

It knows there the chargers are, how busy they usually are, how many people are using them in real time, how many Tesla are navigating to a particular charger at any one time and how long they are expected to spend there. They can also tell if there are any cars waiting.

It uses all that data to try and get you (and everyone else) to your destination in the quickest time.

To use the charger, you just plug in and that’s it, they bill your account directly, no messing around.

The key USP is that they are miles cheaper than anything else on the market. 35-45p/kwh is typical with the higher amount being the price from 4-8pm. Your typical public rapid charger is 75-80p/kwh. Some are has high as 85p and even 91p

Their van also has a selection of non Tesla chargers in it but they’ll not navigate you to them directly, you’ll have to manually select it.

As mentioned above, other car nav’s can do this to an extent but they don’t have the same data Tesla does so they can’t do it as well. They can generally only see there is a charger there and how fast it is, sometimes they take occupancy into account but they won’t know if there is a queue.

Some car sat nav’s are as thick as 2 planks and will recommend a single 50kw charger in the back of a pub car park which is probably broken and ignore the huge 10 bay 350kw hub 1 mile down the road.
 
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The charging infrastructure is the main reason why I would only cosider a Tesla as an EV at this point in time. This is depite the poor build quality and that they aren't the best cars any more. I have friends with 3s and Ys and they never complain about charging. However I have other friends who have ID4s and Ioniq 5s and they complain all the time about broken, or non-existant chargers. Or chargers that say in the nav that they are 100kW or whatever but when they plug in they go in to limp mode and step down to 3kW.
 
You can just run your own cable and leave enough excess to work with as well, https://shop.evchargersdirect.co.uk/products/6mm-x-3core-swa-cat6a-ev-cable-25-to-250-meters - that one also carries CAT6a along side the power so you don't need to think about Wi-Fi or 4G/5G connectivity if buying a compatible charger.
A zappi install from Octopus for up to 30m of cable would be about £1,238 - they used ultra ev cable on my install which has the data cable built in.

This works out as £1,049 for a standard install + £189 for the extra cable run. Details here: https://octopus.energy/services/standard-ev-install/

Not too bad - they won't dig trenches or anything though as part of that. They were significantly cheaper than anyone else for my install (standard install £1,049) so if you do want to get one installed would recommend them.
My EV charger is about 20m from its consumer unit and goes underground to a detached garage. It was a bit more than a standard install but not much, a couple of hundred. They lifted the slabs, dug the hole and made good.

It’s will be fine. A surface mounted cable will only take them a couple of hours to run.

Thanks - doesn't sound like a particularly unusual or big job. I shall look into it.
 
Are people concerned at the drop in value of used EVs? I was watching this


Which linked these 2 videos



People finding themselves with a car worth a tiny fraction of what they paid for it just 2 years before would put me off massively, you expect some depreciation the minute you drive out of the dealers but damn.
 
Are people concerned at the drop in value of used EVs? I was watching this



People finding themselves with a car worth a tiny fraction of what they paid for it just 2 years before would put me off massively, you expect some depreciation the minute you drive out of the dealers but damn.
Shock news - early adopters of new technology pay a price.
This was always going to be the case. The used market has to find a level but it's not been helped by our government's policy of mandating an EV adoption level but then distancing itself from any responsibility. The good news is that EV RVs are stabilising and there is good demand for used EVS vs the level of supply. Personally I think that this countries obsession with getting new cars every 3 years is partly to blame - its led to oversupply which hurts rvs. EVs will be good long term vehicles to own. Ther eis less to go wrong and the batteries have long warranties. I'll gt one in the next 18 months probably but I'll keep it over five years so I'm not devastated by the depreciation.
We will all have to get used to keeping things for longer as resources to manufacture new become scarcer and for me that's no bad thing.
 
What do we all think of the xiaomi SU7

Impressive what they have achieved in 3 years puts the legacy auto makers to shame


 
Are people concerned at the drop in value of used EVs? I was watching this


Which linked these 2 videos



People finding themselves with a car worth a tiny fraction of what they paid for it just 2 years before would put me off massively, you expect some depreciation the minute you drive out of the dealers but damn.

What your definition of a fraction?

9/10 and 1/100 are both fractions .
 
The charging infrastructure is the main reason why I would only cosider a Tesla as an EV at this point in time. This is depite the poor build quality and that they aren't the best cars any more. I have friends with 3s and Ys and they never complain about charging. However I have other friends who have ID4s and Ioniq 5s and they complain all the time about broken, or non-existant chargers. Or chargers that say in the nav that they are 100kW or whatever but when they plug in they go in to limp mode and step down to 3kW.
I don't believe Tesla's have a build quality issue in the UK anymore. I don't have any stats but I follow the forums and have my personal experience. The China factory produces good cars.
 
What your definition of a fraction?

9/10 and 1/100 are both fractions .

Well one of the selling points of EV was they held their valve. Now you not only have normal depreciation but can find its value has dropped another 30-40%. That is a lot of money.

Just one article from a google search

 
Xiaomi looks like, more salubrious, 350zx gene pool.

Listening to radio earlier in car Little Chef restsaurants died in the UK because people no longer wanted to stop mid journey and spend time having a meal - kinda ironic
 
Can someone help answer a question.

I think I'm starting to understand how the Tesla supercharger system works in tandem with the cars navigation and works out when and where to charge, if a charger is functioning and available etc.

On a non Tesla car does the navigation system work in the same way?

Im trying understand the advantage of a Tesla over other brands.

My Polestar runs Google Maps as it’s built in sat-nav and does this all natively, using the car’s current state of charge and recent usage statistics.
 
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