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It really isn’t on EV examples. But agree with born. This argument, unlike EVs, is rather circular

I was referring to ICE engine swaps. Well you've kept it going engaging with "Google mechanics" as you put it. So you've only yourself to blame on that one.
 
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I see the ‘big bad oil companies’ are now planning to buy the hardware. I think the charger cost is the killer at the moment for public. The guys with hardware have a massive waiting list and can charge what they want. This is the passed on as the provider looks to make a return.
The EV point installations with Tesla hardware are interesting. As a Tesla owner, they are the supercharger network in all but name only and the nav doesn’t automatically take you there. You plug in, it recognises your Tesla and bills you via your Tesla account.

Public charging has also declined with the increase of home and destination charging. Maybe Tesla have enough superchargers? Or just a high wage bill and they will replace the lot with lower paid.

Interesting how it works out
Public charging has declined, not sure - got a source for that?

My anecdotal experience is that the public networks are as busy as they ever have been. The good sites are rammed and Tesla certainly does not have enough sites in the U.K. and there are still not spots and pinch points in the existing network.

Sure adjust your roll out based on how many cars you are selling, which let’s be honest, is less than they thought they would be at this point. But to fire the whole business unit over a disagreement with the leader of that unit is reckless.

All the disruption, all that lost institutional knowledge, it’s just idiotic.

Sure, fire the executive and appoint another yesman who will take a 20% headcount drop, but the whole business unit? No I’m sorry but that’s an unnecessary act of self harm.
 
I think it's also another cost cutting move. He did similar with Twitter. To sell Tesla's it needed a charging infrastructure. Which they created. Incredible achievement. However there are other players creating infrastructure now it's not as critical as it was. Though the Tesla superchargers are a huge value added for a new Tesla buyer. He's playing with fire risking that. He risks savaging new sales.

Twitter isn’t really a good example, the place is literally a dumpster fire since Musk took over and fired everyone.

The integration with the charging network is literally one of the biggest selling points of the car. Sure other people are building chargers but they are not as easy to use and cost twice what a Tesla charger does for a Tesla owner and they always work.

There is a reason why most Tesla owners prioritise Tesla chargers over other networks, even if it means going a few mins out of your way over a more convenient charger.

I know the saying there’s no such thing as bad news but it’s hard to imagine that this isn’t have a negative impact on potential new sales.

That said if it all fails tomorrow it doesn't really affect him personally. He'll only be slightly less rich. So he's quite happy to play Russian roulette to get his way.

A significant proportion of his wealth is tied up in Tesla. He will be significantly less rich if it fails. His already significantly less rich based on the latest share price.
 
I know the saying there’s no such thing as bad news [snip]
Not sure how old you are or where you are based.... but Gerald Ratner proved that wrong a number of years (decades) ago.

i must admit it absolutely would make me pause if i was considering buying a tesla (and i DID consider buying one but at the time the model Y was a bit too new and hadnt lost its "new car" premium price for 2nd hand). For me the cars themselves, i dont dislike them but they dont do much for me, but it would be all about the charging network, and now that to me as an outside observer so maybe i will be wrong - is looking like that big selling point could be about to, if not disappear certainly be watered down.
 
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btw as someone considering an ev as their next car, this thread is pretty off-putting, whenever I pop in here someone's having an argument.

Well this is the problem of people spamming negativity on EVs.

If are buying new ICE or EV you're not really trying to save money. If you are buying used out of warranty your going to factor that into that whatever money your going to put into it.

For me I was fed up repairing a diesel used for short journeys and regularly dumping us into limp mode on a motorway. Even if I fixed it I would end up fixing it again. At the time there were almost no petrol manuals in what I wanted. So I (downsized) replaced with it a 3yr is short range city EV

We have another old petrol ICE which is costing a bit in repairs. I'll probably replace that with another Petrol manual as I have learner drivers in the family for the next 3-5 yrs.
 
Twitter isn’t really a good example, the place is literally a dumpster fire since Musk took over and fired everyone.

The integration with the charging network is literally one of the biggest selling points of the car. Sure other people are building chargers but they are not as easy to use and cost twice what a Tesla charger does for a Tesla owner and they always work.

There is a reason why most Tesla owners prioritise Tesla chargers over other networks, even if it means going a few mins out of your way over a more convenient charger.

I know the saying there’s no such thing as bad news but it’s hard to imagine that this isn’t have a negative impact on potential new sales.



A significant proportion of his wealth is tied up in Tesla. He will be significantly less rich if it fails. His already significantly less rich based on the latest share price.
I think it's a perfect example. His cost cutting there (or tantrum) might have saved running costs but it obliterated the companies value.
 
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Good to see the Gloucester services additional chargers are up and running now in both directions, not far from the Ionity planned hub off Junction 12 which is also close to the Gridserve Dobbies.

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64p/kWh and a decent service station for sure.

Seems the services there are having card payment issues but its the first batch of install from the group who run those services (Gloucester and Tebay - Westmoreland group)
 
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nice to see some positive EV charging news for a change. 64pkwh is going in the right direction as well for fast DC charging. better than the 79p+ that i think shell and BP were charging last time i looked.

that said, it would be more affordable public destination AC charging which i think would really be a winner, hopefully closer to 35 - 40pkwh
 
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Same as the ones as Pizza Hut Banbury and Bradley Stoke Tesco, the app is great too.

Good location with the dedicated towing bays and farm shop, just shame its not on the main path into Cornwall.
 
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Wokingham Tesla was 41p the other day. Stopped for a boost which was ok once I reinstalled the app. Cheaper than even my discounted rate

The location is just a field off a roundabout though so no toilets etc. and as the V3 the cables are so short I had to move the car twice. Are they doing anything about the cable.
 
Wokingham Tesla was 41p the other day. Stopped for a boost which was ok once I reinstalled the app. Cheaper than even my discounted rate

The location is just a field off a roundabout though so no toilets etc. and as the V3 the cables are so short I had to move the car twice. Are they doing anything about the cable.
the length of the cable on V3 chargers really put me off.... i just cant bring myself to take up 2 spots. i know its within the rules but i can understand Tesla car owners getting frustrated when they need to charge and 1 car is taking up 2 bays. it isnt the car owners fault - and i said as much when i was at a packed trentham gardens and 2 non tesla cars were taking up 4 v3 bays and a bunch of tesla owners were chuntering. (I tried at a V4 but they were down so i didnt charge :( )

anyway my (long drawn out) point is unless Tesla plan to extend the cables on V3s, imo they probably should only have unlocked the V4 charge points to non tesla cars.. i guess they could have maybe added limited support for cars which can fit in a correct bay, but this could well have been too complicated and led to even more confusion.

Tesla owners can help too...... if they prioritise V3s when available and then leave the V4s for other cars as well as peak times when the v3s are all in use, that will help. I mean they dont have to and am not suggesting making it a rule, but it is no skin off their nose and ultimately if everyone does then it will benefit all, even tesla owners sooner or later.

(obviously shoe on the other foot, hopefully none tesla car owners would be bright enough to use a V4 if available than take 2 bays using a V3)
 
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blimey Gloucester is going to be a charging Mecca! I just hope Wales and a few of the other uk areas which are a little lacking also get similar love.

I think the Westmorland chargers are operated by SWARCO, not sure if that’s a positive or negative, I’ve personally never had an issue with one of their units mind but I’ve only used them a couple of times.

Wokingham Tesla was 41p the other day. Stopped for a boost which was ok once I reinstalled the app. Cheaper than even my discounted rate

The location is just a field off a roundabout though so no toilets etc. and as the V3 the cables are so short I had to move the car twice. Are they doing anything about the cable.

They are allegedly meant to be replacing all public units to V4.

I’ve not soon any progress of this though and given the supercharger team has just been dismissed, I’m not expecting that to actually happen.

They only have until November to sort out the original 20 or so locations to comply with the charge point regulations as they don’t take contactless. Otherwise in theory they’ll need to close to the public again…

They have another year to do the remaining 20 or so locations they opened up recently.

As far as I am aware, the only complete upgrade to V4 which is underway is Elveden/Thetford due to open any day now. That was a V2 site.
 
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