I've no doubt that supply is constrained for the cells/packs they are using. They want to price it high, and therefore want to sell less, no? How much it the current costliest Fiat 500? I've no idea, but I reckon the battery version must be €10k more.
EV general discussion
- Thread starter Ricochet J
- Start date
I've no doubt that supply is constrained for the cells/packs they are using. They want to price it high, and therefore want to sell less, no? How much it the current costliest Fiat 500? I've no idea, but I reckon the battery version must be €10k more.
At any price, there will be a level of demand (even if demand is zero). Let's say the demand at €37,500 is 100 units, and demand at €25,000 is 5,000 units. If they can only manufacture 100 units, what should the price be?
"Want" doesn't necessarily come in to it given the constraints on the supply of parts. They might "want" to sell 5,000 units. But pricing the car at €25,000 won't make any difference if they can only secure enough parts to build 100.
Take a look at the chargers nearby, and what companies run them.
For me, the main 3 companies I use are;
Ecotricity / Electric Highway - for the motorway chargers. This is a PAYG service.
Pod Point - Most supermarkets near my, and a lot of the free chargers use this. This is a 'top up' service.
Charge Your Car - Another destination charger app. I used to use this in Essex quite a lot, but there aren't many in Kent.
Do you have an exterior 3 pin socket? Depending on when your home charger is installed, might be useful to have a charging method ready for delivery of the vehicle.
All I read is what you claimed. Which is nonsense.
What I claimed? I was quoting the thread you didn't bother to read. So what you are saying is the person with the data is lying and reporting nonsense, which is fine if that is what you want to believe.
So, anyhow end of story, you don't believe the person, and have no inclination to read the person thread or data for yourself, so lets not take this any further as it is a waste of time.
In your opinion of course.
Do you think they want to sell less cars or more cars? Makes less money or more money? Look liek a bad supplier with long lead times, or supply what they can at normal lead times. The literally chose what they 'want' to do, but can't control what the buyers 'want'.
I believe this is what you wrote. If you want to claim this is down to a set of wheels, then I'm damn sure he's lying. Even with photos and bread.
However this kind of difference could be achieved by warmer weather, travelling at slower speeds, and better use of regen.
Your time - as you keep replying about it.
Maybe I'm wrong. But it's certainly one possible explanation for the price, reinforced by economic theory and known battery supply issues.
And it's certainly far more plausible than Fiat Chrysler simply not wanting to sell the car, in spite of the R&D investment made, and in spite of impending fines.
but you are taking the information and distilling it to a quote on this thread and then not responding to challenge and telling other people to read the full report.
Is 25% better efficiency from just changing the wheels like stated ? Yes or no
I read the ‘report’ and this claim seems to be based on:
1 trip
New tyres
New wheels
2.7bar
Cold so low air pressure
Him trying to do his commute on EV only so he will be subconsciously driving differently
For all we know his old tyres were at 2 bar.
he’s also driving at 6mph which is slow and is where rolling resistance makes a huge difference. Aero makes some diff but I would think the width of tyres is as much of impact as the wheel design.
covered wheel arches are what you need for ultimate wheel aero.
1 trip
New tyres
New wheels
2.7bar
Cold so low air pressure
Him trying to do his commute on EV only so he will be subconsciously driving differently
For all we know his old tyres were at 2 bar.
he’s also driving at 6mph which is slow and is where rolling resistance makes a huge difference. Aero makes some diff but I would think the width of tyres is as much of impact as the wheel design.
covered wheel arches are what you need for ultimate wheel aero.
Right, question still stands, though.
Soldato
- Joined
- 30 Sep 2005
- Posts
- 16,736
Thanks! No, I don't have an external mains socket although I guess I could buy and fit one. Unless I just stick it through the letterbox for a few days.
The next town to me though has a 150w CCS point so as a last resort I could go there to charge it.
Soldato
- Joined
- 19 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 17,717
- Location
- Shakespeare’s County
Road load won’t be effected by the wheels to the extent being suggested. The end.
Battery supply problems from LG impacting audi e-tron
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/audi-pauses-e-tron-production-battery-shortages
(tesla, had signed up with LG for batteries in some markets too.)
After earlier discussion on ioniq phev .. they don't sell that many worldwide, january 475 ->
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/audi-pauses-e-tron-production-battery-shortages
(tesla, had signed up with LG for batteries in some markets too.)
After earlier discussion on ioniq phev .. they don't sell that many worldwide, january 475 ->
I'd been wondering if their phev/bev price differential is the same in korea ?
Soldato
- Joined
- 19 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 17,717
- Location
- Shakespeare’s County
Polish LG plant is also effecting EQC batteries.
Looking at the E Tron lease deals today, they can barely give them away. Will have major consequences for fleet C02 later in the year, they needed to sell 170,000 to make the cut. Last year they managed something like 27000 and now they’ve stopped making them?
Where are you looking? Cheapest deals I can see for an eTron are £500+ PCM with just 8000miles.
Looks like they're all gone now, I had emails from Central & Applied leasing yesterday morning. Around £11400 all in for 24 month, 10k pa. So what £475 a month amortised, for a 60 grand car!