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How do prices of chargers out and about compare to charging at home?
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They are LOL, charging at home is the best option.
Just use a 3-pin jobbie if you don't want to install a Type-2 device, perhaps you already have an accessible out door socket?
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They range from £acceptable to £LOL
I use chargers when I am out and about but only if I need them to get home. In reality this so infrequently, I don’t bother seeking out the cheapest and just tend to use the most convenient.
Tesla rapids are the cheapest for me by a long shot but I prefer destination chargers wherever my car is parked for long periods of time rather than going to a rapid of that makes sense.
Other manufacturers have deals with other networks at reasonable prices, notably Ionity - they can get busy as a result.
I use chargers when I am out and about but only if I need them to get home. In reality this so infrequently, I don’t bother seeking out the cheapest and just tend to use the most convenient.
Tesla rapids are the cheapest for me by a long shot but I prefer destination chargers wherever my car is parked for long periods of time rather than going to a rapid of that makes sense.
Other manufacturers have deals with other networks at reasonable prices, notably Ionity - they can get busy as a result.
Anyone here had recent issues getting your vehicle discovered in the Octopus app in order to switch to OIG? Model Y Long Range and Hypervolt Home Pro 3 charger.
Called them today and they said there was a 'fault' with the charger and to connect via the car, despite having enabled everything for authentication via their app (which redirects to Tesla) it fails almost immediately and so I can't get a test-charge going at the moment. When trying to test-charge withe the charger controlling, instead of the car, it just hangs on 'finding vehicle'.
Car is connected to the same Wi-Fi.
Charges fine via the charger App.
Have removed the device from the Octopus App multiple times.
Called them today and they said there was a 'fault' with the charger and to connect via the car, despite having enabled everything for authentication via their app (which redirects to Tesla) it fails almost immediately and so I can't get a test-charge going at the moment. When trying to test-charge withe the charger controlling, instead of the car, it just hangs on 'finding vehicle'.
Car is connected to the same Wi-Fi.
Charges fine via the charger App.
Have removed the device from the Octopus App multiple times.
Safety Concerns due to EV acceleration
I have thought this for quite a while. EVs have instant acceleration, even the "standard" ones which can be helpful. However I honestly believe this will make some drivers over confident in their own abilities and the risk taking will increase.
Pulling out of a junction with vehicles approaching on the major road - in a normal ICE car, you will stop as you think your car cannot get upto speed in time. In an EV, I have the acceleration to pull out and go (or so you think).
Same with roundabouts and motorways (switching lanes etc)
Part of the article mentions that injuries are reduced due to technology. It's also technology that fools some drivers into thinking they are better drivers than they really are. All the active and passive features in modern cars which are designed to prevent your car from leaving the road is fooling the drivers into thinking they are good drivers when, in fact, it's the cars making hundreds of tiny adjustments to power, braking, handling that has prevented you losing control and crashing.
I have thought this for quite a while. EVs have instant acceleration, even the "standard" ones which can be helpful. However I honestly believe this will make some drivers over confident in their own abilities and the risk taking will increase.
Pulling out of a junction with vehicles approaching on the major road - in a normal ICE car, you will stop as you think your car cannot get upto speed in time. In an EV, I have the acceleration to pull out and go (or so you think).
Same with roundabouts and motorways (switching lanes etc)
Part of the article mentions that injuries are reduced due to technology. It's also technology that fools some drivers into thinking they are better drivers than they really are. All the active and passive features in modern cars which are designed to prevent your car from leaving the road is fooling the drivers into thinking they are good drivers when, in fact, it's the cars making hundreds of tiny adjustments to power, braking, handling that has prevented you losing control and crashing.
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Non-issue - cars with different power, torque, acceleration and throttle response have been around since it was first invented. You don’t need a different licence for a Fiesta or a Ferrari.
You just learn how your own car responds and get used to it.
I think the bigger issue is other drivers not anticipating the acceleration of EVs. Ashley Neal did a learning point video about this subject just a couple of days ago.
You're right, eventually people will get used to it. But I do think its going to make reaction windows much shorter, and harder to judge when even the most mundane cars can accelerate like that.
I disagree and so, it seems, do the insurers.
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And that reinforces my earlier point - people being fooled into thinking they are better drivers than they really are due to the car compensating for poor driving which may, in turn, means the driver pushes the car more and the risks increase.
I had edited my post just as you were posting so you might have missed my last part - the insurers also believe the acceleration of EVs is a primary reason why they are involved in so many crashes/claims
The average one isnt that fast though. I mean my born dials in power to 25 and it’s impossible to slide it as it’s so heavy. Infact I’m the wet it’s impressive how well it puts the power down. A decent ICE will be as quick especially anything with hybrid instant torque.
End of the day it’s down to the flesh behind the wheel rather than the car
Mind you the model 3s are very quick but the brakes and suspension don’t match the performance imo
End of the day it’s down to the flesh behind the wheel rather than the car
Mind you the model 3s are very quick but the brakes and suspension don’t match the performance imo
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The EV repair cost is the bigger risk for insurance companies, not driver accidents. Large number of Tesla that simple don’t have the backup parts network either so the repair times and hence time in hire cars is longer.
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Tell me you haven’t driven an EV without telling me you haven’t….
Is your book of cliches out for Christmas Nasher or are you struggling with all deliveries?
Most don't have impressive 0-60 times and after 40mph start to run out of puff. Only the very high spec stuff is really quick...
People just don't expect the car to instantly go with max torque from 0. With an engine the revs need to climb before you get power.
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yeah so at roundabouts when you have collisions….
Does your brain even do thinking before mashing the keyboard?
Does your brain even do thinking before mashing the keyboard?
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Like an ICE then. The point here is about throttle response which is driver (and sometimes computer) limited.
My V8 with individual throttle bodies as EV like throttle response. But this is not a typical car obviously.
This! Most EV’s are under 300HP and are not quick but they are nippy.
Top gear did a good article about the Tesla M3P and in real world without American cheating tactics of one foot roll outs it did an impressive 3.5s to 60mph and 9.5s to 100mph which is damn quick but it’s nothing particular fast or new my old 2014 Golf R with a remap was far quicker at 3.3s to 60 and 7.3s to 100mph was also more fun to drive which is saying something as a Golf R is not particular fun either.
Another comparison A110S clocked at 3.9s and 9.8s to 100 so similar ball park and a far more fun car been a true sports car weighing in at 1100kg.
Compared to a proper supercar they don’t come close unless you buy something like a P1000D, Electre, Plaid etc but don’t they kind of defeat the point of an EV which is cheaper to run though EV depreciation in past year has not helped with running cost of EVs.
I like EVs as city cars but don’t enjoy them as sports car or fun cars and I don’t find thrilling or quick, OK Tesla M3P 20-60mph impresses me but beyond 60 it felt slow and I often drive at high speeds and just love the fun of revving an engine out and changing gears even in a slow car like my old E30 which is damn slow but it’s so engaging but again I also love dinosaurs. I agree with you the brakes and suspension do not match the performance on a Tesla M3P!
It just made me laugh when a mate gave me his Tesla M3P and told me it was as quick as my 600 LT, I then took him out in my 600 LT he soon retracted that comment.
Even my R8 which is slower been a manual made him retract guess he realised an NA V8 with instant throttle response at any speed can feel far quicker than it is which for me makes it enjoyable as it feels ballistic without having to drive stupid fast the weakness of McLaren is you don’t want to lift and end up going stupid quick if not careful.
He has since sold his M3P and got a smaller slower EV and bought a new Caterham 420R and even built it himself and guess what he is so much happier the EV for the commute and a proper sports car that he can say he built himself and far quicker than his Tesla was on a b road, a dry one anyway.
All these cars have their place and we all like different things but I’ll keep filling with dinosaurs and making a racket, but I also won’t dismiss an EV as say a commuter and city car as now prices have crashed a used one can make a lot of sense. I’ve always done well on ICE cars either losing a little money or making a little. The 2-3 brand new ICE cars I purchased all made a profit at time to sell, not the norm at all but no complaints from me.
Just saying fast cars have always been around I guess the issue is enthusiast purchases fast cars typically but saying that you get plenty a none car enthusiast in a Porsche or Ferrari who just buy to say look at me. Though it’s fair to say EVs are putting nippy and fast cars in the hands of many who would normally not buy a fast car I guess and is maybe why some EVs are expensive to insure, but fast cars have always been around.
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