EV general discussion

b0rn2sk8 said:
No chance, certainly not on a new car. They are starting to wind out the remaining incentives for company car owners.

Ultimately EV's are cheaper to own over the lifetime of the vehicle if you can charge at home (if you cant, wait), they don't need incentives. Sure depreciation is a bit of an issue at the moment but there are lots of reasons for that and isn't likely to be sustained once the mass market wake up.

Are you looking to buy/own outright or is it a 'company car'? If the former, I wouldn't buy a new one, there are so many bargains in the used market at the moment and you'll get a hell of a lot more car there for the same money.

You can get a 1 year old Meganne e-tech for £20k which will probably be what the early Renault 5's go for given the base spec has an RRP of £22k and the top spec starts at £26k. The Meganne is a batter car in every way IMO, well except nostalgic retro styling.
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Thanks, figured as much. I can't charge at home but my mileage is low so a "full charge" would last me weeks, and there's finally some decent charging options appearing at supermarkets, shopping centres etc around where I live/visit so I think it'd be easy enough to live with.

I'd be buying outright, my employer offers an EV salary sacrifice scheme but the R5 is rather pricey on there at the moment. The BMW i4 eDrive35 M Sport us cheaper per month, for example. I wouldn't normally ever consider buying a new car but the R5 has done something funny to my brain, common sense will likely kick back in at some point though.

I'll likely wait and see what nearly-new R5 prices are like later in the year once the initial hype has quelled, at this point my shortlist is between that or a SEAT Leon.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
Ask our resident expert, Jpaul, hes currently dailying one for content creation purposes.
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you never mentioned if I buy a Jag, you could get breakfast at the dealership ... today twas discussing the waiting experience with a fellow inmate in untouchables dealership, over 'coffee'
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TheVoice said:
Thanks, figured as much. I can't charge at home but my mileage is low so a "full charge" would last me weeks, and there's finally some decent charging options appearing at supermarkets, shopping centres etc around where I live/visit so I think it'd be easy enough to live with.

I'd be buying outright, my employer offers an EV salary sacrifice scheme but the R5 is rather pricey on there at the moment. The BMW i4 eDrive35 M Sport us cheaper per month, for example. I wouldn't normally ever consider buying a new car but the R5 has done something funny to my brain, common sense will likely kick back in at some point though.

I'll likely wait and see what nearly-new R5 prices are like later in the year once the initial hype has quelled, at this point my shortlist is between that or a SEAT Leon.
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The fuel cost will be more than ICE and public charging is inconvenient. Are you going to be saving any money if you look at total cost?
 
Well Elon is not making many friends..

We parked up in Stow-on-the-Wold on the weekend in the Model Y, nicely within our bay, all fine and dandy..

Got back to the car and noticed loads of security events, which seemed odd as the bay was out the way with no reason to go near the car.. however, on reviewing the footage we had a car park in a bay behind us which was perpendicular to our bay, and the owner gets out, opens their boot, takes a small suitcase out, and marches over to our Model Y and whacks it against the bumper, then sets it down resting against our bumper.. he goes back to his car, then comes back and does a jig with his suitcase against our bumper, then takes it back to his car, puts it in the boot and goes off for 10 mins, comes back, and drives off..

When I was looking at what looked like almost nothing, he'd cleaned off a load of dirty slush, but no real scratches, someone came over and apologised they saw this guy doing it but hadn't taken his number plate down.. apparently he had a few choice words about Elon and Tesla whilst trying to get his suitcase to mate with our bumper..

The most bizarre thing I've ever seen or encountered..
 
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Demon said:
Well Elon is not making many friends..

We parked up in Stow-on-the-Wold on the weekend in the Model Y, nicely within our bay, all fine and dandy..

Got back to the car and noticed loads of security events, which seemed odd as the bay was out the way with no reason to go near the car.. however, on reviewing the footage we had a car park in a bay behind us which was perpendicular to our bay, and the owner gets out, opens their boot, takes a small suitcase out, and marches over to our Model Y and whacks it against the bumper, then sets it down resting against our bumper.. he goes back to his car, then comes back and does a jig with his suitcase against our bumper, then takes it back to his car, puts it in the boot and goes off for 10 mins, comes back, and drives off..

When I was looking at what looked like almost nothing, he'd cleaned off a load of dirty slush, but no real scratches, someone came over and apologised they saw this guy doing it but hadn't taken his number plate down.. apparently he had a few choice words about Elon and Tesla whilst trying to get his suitcase to mate with our bumper..

The most bizarre thing I've ever seen or encountered..
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I’m more impressed you managed to find parking there. It is January I suppose…
 
Demon said:
Well Elon is not making many friends..

We parked up in Stow-on-the-Wold on the weekend in the Model Y, nicely within our bay, all fine and dandy..

Got back to the car and noticed loads of security events, which seemed odd as the bay was out the way with no reason to go near the car.. however, on reviewing the footage we had a car park in a bay behind us which was perpendicular to our bay, and the owner gets out, opens their boot, takes a small suitcase out, and marches over to our Model Y and whacks it against the bumper, then sets it down resting against our bumper.. he goes back to his car, then comes back and does a jig with his suitcase against our bumper, then takes it back to his car, puts it in the boot and goes off for 10 mins, comes back, and drives off..

When I was looking at what looked like almost nothing, he'd cleaned off a load of dirty slush, but no real scratches, someone came over and apologised they saw this guy doing it but hadn't taken his number plate down.. apparently he had a few choice words about Elon and Tesla whilst trying to get his suitcase to mate with our bumper..

The most bizarre thing I've ever seen or encountered..
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That’s the fourth weirdest thing I’ve seen or read today.
 
Simon said:
The fuel cost will be more than ICE and public charging is inconvenient. Are you going to be saving any money if you look at total cost?
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I've done an average of 2,500 miles a year the past few years, the cost of fuel/charging doesn't concern me nearly as much as the cost of the car/depreciation!
 
Cracking deal on a top of the range Mini Cooper Hatchback 160kW SE Exclusive [Level 3] 54kWh - it's £7.38k for 2 years all in. 5k miles PA but looks to be about 11ppm after that. New OTR is £42k
 
We have a car being delivered next week. Getting the hypervolt charger installed this week then should be good to go.

Kinda looking forward to the new car experience but have a feeling I'm gonna see car prices plummet and I'll feel my good salary sacrifice deal wasn't such a bargain after all lol
 
Hedge said:
We have a car being delivered next week. Getting the hypervolt charger installed this week then should be good to go.

Kinda looking forward to the new car experience but have a feeling I'm gonna see car prices plummet and I'll feel my good salary sacrifice deal wasn't such a bargain after all lol
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I bought my Polestar after prices started coming down - unfortunately they carried on afterwards and I’ve definitely lost way more than I’ve saved in fuel costs.

Such is life though - you can’t do anything about!
 
Penfold101 said:
I bought my Polestar after prices started coming down - unfortunately they carried on afterwards and I’ve definitely lost way more than I’ve saved in fuel costs.

Such is life though - you can’t do anything about!
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Yeah I suppose it's all part of the game. What's frustrating me a little is that the Scenic was the car I was watching but it was never at a price I was willing to pay. Yet now I have a feeling it might be coming down to where I would have.

I have an e208 en route though and that will be a fine cheap commuter for me.
 
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it's not a loss unless you choose to realise it, like housing crash, still a car with that's reputed to have a nice interior and driving experience, android automotive .. near top of ev echelon.

(I'd wondered if the suitcase guy was casing the car for a theft attempt ... relay ?)
 
Penfold101 said:
I bought my Polestar after prices started coming down - unfortunately they carried on afterwards and I’ve definitely lost way more than I’ve saved in fuel costs.

Such is life though - you can’t do anything about!
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ditto with my ipace
still.... it's not the cars fault and I still love driving it. hopefully I keep it and it stays reliable for 10 years then the depreciation is largely irrelevant.

it's an amazing time to buy a 2nd hand EV now tho, there are some top cars almost as new condition and still largely the same as the cars for sale new for a fraction of their new price.
 
jpaul said:
it's not a loss unless you choose to realise it, like housing crash, still a car with that's reputed to have a nice interior and driving experience, android automotive .. near top of ev echelon.

(I'd wondered if the suitcase guy was casing the car for a theft attempt ... relay ?)
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Top? What ?

It’s an issue if you don’t want to run an EV into the ground. ( I imagine at 7 yrs people start getting twitchy)
 
bigmike20vt said:
ditto with my ipace
still.... it's not the cars fault and I still love driving it. hopefully I keep it and it stays reliable for 10 years then the depreciation is largely irrelevant.

it's an amazing time to buy a 2nd hand EV now tho, there are some top cars almost as new condition and still largely the same as the cars for sale new for a fraction of their new price.
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This is so wrong 20k car is still 2k a year depreciation even if it lasts 10 yrs
 
Simon said:
This is so wrong 20k car is still 2k a year depreciation even if it lasts 10 yrs
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I guess it's down to perspective.. £2k a year depreciation on a high performance luxury car imo is perfectly acceptable.
£9k and £6k a year which is what I will likely have had come 2 years of owning my ipace not so much........
Obviously had I known quite how much the arse was gonna fall out of the EV market I would have held fire for another couple of years (I would buy an MY21.ipace.at barely north of £20k now in a heartbeat if I needed a new (to me) car.

With hindsite maybe it was obvious... the tech is moving on quickly unlike ICE cars which have had over a century to mature. improvements year on year are large,.the tax breaks on brand new cars massive.meaning there is not that.much demand for a 3 year old car now if it's close to new price and our gutter press.is still pushing FUD about them hard!.... and add to there there are a lot of folk where EVs still don't work for them so they won't buy them yet.

but for depreciation to be honest I think it's widely accepted the longer you keep your car the better in terms of depreciation. you are free to disagree however am not gonna argue over it with you
 
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I'm kinda intrigued with how it will pan out on the e208 I'm getting. My salary sacrifice is set at doing 15000 miles a year. After 3 years and 45000 miles I bet the car won't be worth much at all.

At the point I assume they will either take it back and feel the sting when they auction it. Or they will maybe ask me if I want to keep it at a cheaper monthly cost?

If it was possible (and the car had been reliable) I'd almost be tempted to just buy it from them at the end if the price was rock bottom.
 
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