EV general discussion

[alexakasloth]

Quite fancy the Slate truck. Nice simple, basic, no frills EV.

Only questions are... Will it make it to market, will it come to the UK and will it really be that cheap ?

I hope so, I really like the concept and hopefully in reality it lives up to it.

As it's backed by Bezos I wonder if it could be ordered off Amazon, although I don't want it being left behind a wheelie bin.

 

[Penfold101]

I hope so, I really like the concept and hopefully in reality it lives up to it.

As it's backed by Bezos I wonder if it could be ordered off Amazon, although I don't want it being left behind a wheelie bin.

Free next day delivery though!

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Fair enough here's a selection of smallest cars I can see. All based on 5k miles a year 48 months contract.

Dacia Spring Extreme £288
Citroen e-C3 44kWh 113 £340
BYD Dolphin 60kWh 204 Comfort £381
Fiat 500e 42kWh 118 £491
Peugeot e-208 50kWh 136 Allure £536.


None of these appear good value to me.

That’s because none of them are.

Given those numbers, I take it your partner is not a high rate tax payer?

Even factoring that, they are all pretty poor and I’d expect you can get something privately for less.

Salary sacrifice schemes tend to have inflated lease costs and tend to ‘work out’ because high rate tax payers are making significant savings on that headline lease costs

Don’t forget BIK is due to rise year on year going forward so costs will rise in contract and these leases are going to look like poorer and poorer value going forward.

 

[Simon]

Fair enough here's a selection of smallest cars I can see. All based on 5k miles a year 48 months contract.

Dacia Spring Extreme £288
Citroen e-C3 44kWh 113 £340
BYD Dolphin 60kWh 204 Comfort £381
Fiat 500e 42kWh 118 £491
Peugeot e-208 50kWh 136 Allure £536.


None of these appear good value to me.

They are gross right?

 

[Lunar_Fox]

Yeah that's crazy prices. The BYD is probably the best on the price/drivability ratio, but at nearly £400/month it's ridiculous. I'd get a loan and buy second hand. At 6.5%, £300/month gives you just under a £13k budget which is more than enough for a city car for the wife and then you should also have something to trade in when the time comes.

You can't compare used to new especially if you using salary sacrifice which is designed to boost new car sales. Depreciation on EV is crazy at the moment 50% or more in the first year, my mates Model 3 is losing something like £60 a day just sitting on the driveway. So yes there are some great deals on used but you can't compare that to new prices.

 

[Penfold101]

They are gross right?

Just disgusting.

 

[Journey]

Dacia Spring Extreme £288
Citroen e-C3 44kWh 113 £340
BYD Dolphin 60kWh 204 Comfort £381
Fiat 500e 42kWh 118 £491
Peugeot e-208 50kWh 136 Allure £536.


None of these appear good value to me.

They are utterly dire prices. The nearly new Spring 65 on an HP deal for £10.5k over 60 month would be the real winner.

 

[Simon]

Just disgusting.

Not really if you pay 55% of that. But the spring on a 10k 36month is £270 gross on mine. So not sure what those numbers are from the original

 

[Diddums]

Not really if you pay 55% of that. But the spring on a 10k 36month is £270 gross on mine. So not sure what those numbers are from the original

whoosh

 

[Kenai]

I reckon they're net figures.

Just had a look on my portal and a Dacia Spring Extreme is £421 Gross, so probably lucky enough to be on a similarly crap scheme that seems to just take the market rate lease, inflate it by ~40% and then offer it via salary sacrifice and hope people are daft enough to sign up without shopping around.

 

[Simon]

whoosh

Ah my net worked didn’t need a hook

 

[Simon]

I reckon they're net figures.

Just had a look on my portal and a Dacia Spring Extreme is £421 Gross, so probably lucky enough to be on a similarly crap scheme that seems to just take the market rate lease, inflate it by ~40% and then offer it via salary sacrifice and hope people are daft enough to sign up without shopping around.

For 5k miles and having to own it 4 years?

I got a quote to extend mine a year. And it is £120 a month more net which makes no sense. I cancelled the R5

 

[Kenai]

For 5k miles and having to own it 4 years?

3 years and 10k because that's the longest term and lowest mileage it'll let me generate automatic quotes for. It doesn't change by much in the other direction if I set it for say 2 years and 15k, so I doubt it would lop £100+ off the gross monthly if it did let me pick 4 years 5k, maybe £400 gross at best.

Virtually everything i've ever checked on it is stupidly priced - something i'd personally actually drive (on a 3yr/15k that i'd want), like the Born VZ, is nearly £900pm gross at the moment.

A Renault 5 that you mention, in iconic 150bhp trim - £700pm gross.

 

[vail3r]

Me and the wife are both potentially looking at new cars and thinking about going EV. I do some longer trips 3 - 4 times a year so I’m tempted by a Tesla as it seems it would be a lot easier with the supercharger network.

Seems you can get a 2023 Model Y for about 27k which doesn’t seem like too bad of a deal?

Going to try and go have a look at one this week.

Also need to get a charger priced up. Is there a particular charger I should ask for when getting a quote. Am I likely to get one fitted for around 1k as that’s what I have in my man maths budget

Also.. will one charger be enough if we both go ev generally? Mileage will be pretty low most of the time so would we just charge on alternate days?

 

[danlightbulb]

They were net prices. I will relay to her that the prices are awful.

 

[GravyMonster]

You can't compare used to new especially if you using salary sacrifice which is designed to boost new car sales. Depreciation on EV is crazy at the moment 50% or more in the first year, my mates Model 3 is losing something like £60 a day just sitting on the driveway. So yes there are some great deals on used but you can't compare that to new prices.

From a buyers perspective you absolutely can, and should, compare used to new. As you say, the price of new financed EVs is ridiculous due to the depreciation. Buying used at 3-4 years old makes much more financial sense if you absolutely, positively have to buy an EV.

 

[Journey]

Me and the wife are both potentially looking at new cars and thinking about going EV. I do some longer trips 3 - 4 times a year so I’m tempted by a Tesla as it seems it would be a lot easier with the supercharger network.

A lot of the Tesla network is open to all users now, and there are many other networks you can use, and for 3-4 times per year, a bit of planning isn't going to kill you in terms of time. No need to limit yourself just to Tesla, unless you really want one.

Also.. will one charger be enough if we both go ev generally? Mileage will be pretty low most of the time so would we just charge on alternate days?

One charger is enough for 3-4 cars with lo mileage, and big batteries. What other car were you looking at?

 

[vail3r]

A lot of the Tesla network is open to all users now, and there are many other networks you can use, and for 3-4 times per year, a bit of planning isn't going to kill you in terms of time. No need to limit yourself just to Tesla, unless you really want one.



One charger is enough for 3-4 cars with lo mileage, and big batteries. What other car were you looking at?

My longer work trips I often leave in the morning and then I’d be setting off back at around 10pm. Tesla just seemed like it would be the easiest and fastest way to get the extra juice to get home.

Anything else I should look at as an alternative to the Model Y around the same price/size?


My wife is leaning towards a BMW IX1 but is still looking round.

 

[Penfold101]

edit: messed this up royaly…

 

[Penfold101]

Also.. will one charger be enough if we both go ev generally? Mileage will be pretty low most of the time so would we just charge on alternate days?

We have two EV’s, I do a 60 mile daily commute and she does less but still daily stuff with the toddler. We’ve never had an issue, and the charger will do 35 kWh per night on the cheap rate which is roughly 100 miles of range.