EV general discussion

[Journey]

My longer work trips I often leave in the morning and then I’d be setting off back at around 10pm. Tesla just seemed like it would be the easiest and fastest way to get the extra juice to get home.

How long is long? Kia EV6, and Ioniq 5 are two of the fastest charging SUV's you can buy as another couple of options. 10-60% on an Ultra Rapid in 11-13 mins.

My wife is leaning towards a BMW IX1 but is still looking round.

Used or new, EQA is a good shout as loads on the used market with good specs at lower prices than iX1.

 

[vail3r]

How long is long? Kia EV6, and Ioniq 5 are two of the fastest SUV's you can buy as another couple of options. 10-60% on an Ultra Rapid in 11-13 mins.



Used or new, EQA is a good shout as loads on the used market with good specs at lower prices than iX1.

Not that long.. maybe like 140 miles max so I’d likely need to charge on the way back.

We also do a longer holiday trip but that’s not really an issue as we would need to stop at services anyway with the little one.

 

[ICDP]

Me and the wife are both potentially looking at new cars and thinking about going EV. I do some longer trips 3 - 4 times a year so I’m tempted by a Tesla as it seems it would be a lot easier with the supercharger network.

Seems you can get a 2023 Model Y for about 27k which doesn’t seem like too bad of a deal?

Going to try and go have a look at one this week.

Also need to get a charger priced up. Is there a particular charger I should ask for when getting a quote. Am I likely to get one fitted for around 1k as that’s what I have in my man maths budget

Also.. will one charger be enough if we both go ev generally? Mileage will be pretty low most of the time so would we just charge on alternate days?

I have an I-Pace and my wife has a C40. One charger has been plenty for us and one night cheap rate (N. Ireland) will give the I-Pace over 50% battery and the C40 about 65%.

We have never had issues running two EVs with one charger. It just takes a bit of awareness on the SoC of both EVs. So if they are both at 50% plug one in because at the end of the next day they will both by at 30% if you don’t.

 

[Journey]

Not that long.. maybe like 140 miles max so I’d likely need to charge on the way back.

We also do a longer holiday trip but that’s not really an issue as we would need to stop at services anyway with the little one.

140 miles each way, so 280 for the day. So in the winter with a car that does 3mpkWh you's need ~94kWh. SO you are looking at a 10-15 min stop in any modern car with a large battery assuming you leave on 100%.

Family holidays, as you say, are really good with an EV as you can be taking your normal break while the car charges, even if you only stop for a 10 minute toilet break plugging in can make sense if the chargers are there, gives more flexibility around other planned stops then.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

The two main go to home chargers tend to be Hypervolt and Zappi, mainly for features and they work with Octopus Intelligent Go. Hypervolt looks a lot better, Zappi looks like a toilet seat but has a few more features - pick your poison accordingly.

As someone said above a lot of Tesla chargers are now open to all but almost all of the chargers at motorway services are still Tesla only and are likely to stay that way for the foreseeable due to the agreements they have with Welcome Break and Moto. The open ones tend to be in more urban areas, they are a lot cheaper than others but with Ionity passport you can get as good of a price as Tesla on the Tesla network (44p/kwh). If it is only 2-4 trips a year, don't worry about the price so much, its negligible in the grand scheme of things.

Another suggestion not posted yet is the Polestar 2 and Volvo XC40, both can be had for those similar price points but might be slightly older or have more miles than say an EV6 as they are nicer cars inside. The most obvious competitors to a Model Y are the EV6, Ionic 5, Mach-E and VW ID.4, they are all in that same price bracket used.

 

[chanjy]

Just had a look on my portal and a Dacia Spring Extreme is £421 Gross, so probably lucky enough to be on a similarly crap scheme that seems to just take the market rate lease, inflate it by ~40% and then offer it via salary sacrifice and hope people are daft enough to sign up without shopping around.

Just checked mine and it's £307 gross for the Extreme which seems more reasonable once yhou factor in tax/NI savings

Some of these schemes really take the mickey it seems

 

[Simon]

Just checked mine and it's £307 gross for the Extreme which seems more reasonable once yhou factor in tax/NI savings

Some of these schemes really take the mickey it seems

5k / 4yrs = £272.66 gross on mine Zenith

10k / 3yr = £284.59 gross

 

[jpaul]

with proposed second hand M3/Y purchase need to consider further non-linear depreciation of pre-update cars V ,
would be interesting to see similar for VW and how 550 drivetrain efficiency/power updates give discontinuity on older values ;
it's not a mature market liked ICE, where mhv/phev could even increase desirability of older cars.

 

[chanjy]

5k / 4yrs = £272.66 gross on mine Zenith

10k / 3yr = £284.59 gross

If you're a higher rate taxpayer that's pretty cheap motoring tbf

 

[Simon]

If you're a higher rate taxpayer that's pretty cheap motoring tbf

Yeah but I couldn’t manage on that power and battery size. A 230ps Born v2 59kwh on 10k 3yr is £494 a month

 

[Kenai]

Yeah but I couldn’t manage on that power and battery size. A 230ps Born v2 59kwh on 10k 3yr is £494 a month

I could enjoy that specification Born on those terms for a mere £700 gross By the time you lose the tax/NI but add in the BIK and any potential pension impacts, my net cost would be nearly what your gross cost is.

Some of these schemes are borderline scams really, relying on people assuming it must automatically be cheaper than any other way of getting a car because they're saving some tax

 

[lordrobs]

Some of these schemes are borderline scams really, relying on people assuming it must automatically be cheaper than any other way of getting a car because they're saving some tax

This has always been an economic juicy worm on the poor financial decision hook - beating tax.

I'll never forget a guy I worked with and how he was so pleased with himself when he traded in his low mileage pristine 5 year old Fiesta Titanium for a bottom spec brand new B-Max at a huge cost to change. His beaming smile as he nodded towards his new car "Twenty quid road tax."

 

[danlightbulb]

s you say, the price of new financed EVs is ridiculous due to the depreciation. Buying used at 3-4 years old makes much more financial sense if you absolutely, positively have to buy an EV.

People say this a lot yet when I look on Autotrader I don't really see much value there either. I don't think buying an EV already on 80k miles is a good idea.

No matter what car I look for they always seem hard to find. When I was looking for decent petrol estates - very hard to find. When I was looking for fast diesel estates - hard to find. Now Im looking for the complete opposite, a very small city car for the missus...hard to find. It used to be easy in the 90s/00s. Clio, fiesta, corsa, 106. Go to small cars.

 

[Jon20]

Will be interesting to hear how it compares. For what it's worth, I've seen a few posts about dealers having cancelled R5 orders arriving in stock, so you might be able to pick one up far more quickly if you wanted to.

Had the test drive earlier and an order has been placed. Gone for the Techno spec, was given the Iconic to test drive but I couldn’t justify the extra £2000 for the things I probably wouldn’t use. The yellow interior of the Iconic was nice, not as bright as I was thinking it was going to be. It’s a fun car to drive, very comfortable. Was surprised how quick it picks up speed when in sport mode. Pretty nippy when it’s in comfort mode as well. Trying to park it was interesting, had to turn off the auto hold as it was very snatchy trying to move slowly. Once it was off it was fine. I don’t know if that’s an auto thing having only driven manuals before? B mode would take a little getting used to but kind of liked it. Dealer reckoned it would arrive in June but I’m expecting that to get pushed back.

 

[sandys]

Trying to park it was interesting, had to turn off the auto hold as it was very snatchy trying to move slowly. Once it was off it was fine. I don’t know if that’s an auto thing having only driven manuals before? B mode would take a little getting used to but kind of liked it. Dealer reckoned it would arrive in June but I’m expecting that to get pushed back.

I find this driving our Volvo when trying to do small parking moves etc, though my missus who is the main driver has no issues whatsoever, so I think it is just a thing that you re-calibrate to the more you use it, I'm only in the car sporadically, disabling autohold is easier for me.

 

[Lunar_Fox]

People say this a lot yet when I look on Autotrader I don't really see much value there either. I don't think buying an EV already on 80k miles is a good idea.

No matter what car I look for they always seem hard to find. When I was looking for decent petrol estates - very hard to find. When I was looking for fast diesel estates - hard to find. Now Im looking for the complete opposite, a very small city car for the missus...hard to find. It used to be easy in the 90s/00s. Clio, fiesta, corsa, 106. Go to small cars.

As mentioned elsewhere, its not a mature market. There are Tesla with 500,000 miles on there still on original battery packs. People are scared of the battery not just for how long they last but what do you do with them once their useful life in vehicles is over. There are lots of talks of using them for storage or other uses but we don't know.

 

[danlightbulb]

As mentioned elsewhere, its not a mature market. There are Tesla with 500,000 miles on there still on original battery packs. People are scared of the battery not just for how long they last but what do you do with them once their useful life in vehicles is over. There are lots of talks of using them for storage or other uses but we don't know.

Off topic for this thread really but she (and I to be honest) are really not keen on getting a small petrol car now. Having had an EV for a few months now, and obviously she has seen how much I like it, really feels like getting a petrol is going backwards.

If we were to get a petrol, it would have to be cheap because getting a nearly new £10k+ petrol now seems like a complete waste.

Maybe I will start another specific thread to help find her a car.

 

[Kenai]

People say this a lot yet when I look on Autotrader I don't really see much value there either. I don't think buying an EV already on 80k miles is a good idea.

No matter what car I look for they always seem hard to find. When I was looking for decent petrol estates - very hard to find. When I was looking for fast diesel estates - hard to find. Now Im looking for the complete opposite, a very small city car for the missus...hard to find. It used to be easy in the 90s/00s. Clio, fiesta, corsa, 106. Go to small cars.

You picked an e-208 Allure earlier in your list of Sal Sac options, that was £536 net per month.

You can get an Allure Premium+, 2 to 3 years old, under 20,000 miles starting around £15,000 - even if you assumed it was literally worth £0 after 4 years, that's a little over £300 per month in depreciation. In reality, it'd probably still be worth £6k-£8k, depending how many miles you put on it, so more like under £200 per month in depreciation. You obviously have to add in insurance, servicing, finance costs if you'd need that etc. but still decent value for a well regarded small EV. I think it's near enough half the list price (not that many people were likely paying list for them when new).

 

[b0rn2sk8]

@danlightbulb

For what you need, the ‘current gen’ 40kwh leaf is almost the perfect car.

It’s nice inside for the money, it’s really well equipped and it’s affordable. They are an absolute doddle to drive as well.

For the amount you’d spend leasing a new car, you can just buy one with cash. They are very well understood cars, require very little maintenance and are very reliable.

Even the old first gen cars which have suffered from battery degradation never broke down. They almost all still work and it’s only really people crashing them that takes them off the road.

A Corsa-e is not that much more expensive either, you’ve been able to get them brand new for ~£20k for awhile so a used one will be a good chunk cheaper.

Edit: a pre reg Corsa on a 74 plate is 19k. A 21 plate is well under 10 at this point.

 

[danlightbulb]

@danlightbulb

For what you need, the ‘current gen’ 40kwh leaf is almost the perfect car.

It’s nice inside for the money, it’s really well equipped and it’s affordable. They are an absolute doddle to drive as well.

For the amount you’d spend leasing a new car, you can just buy one with cash. They are very well understood cars, require very little maintenance and are very reliable.

Even the old first gen cars which have suffered from battery degradation never broke down. They almost all still work and it’s only really people crashing them that takes them off the road.

A Corsa-e is not that much more expensive either, you’ve been able to get them brand new for ~£20k for awhile so a used one will be a good chunk cheaper.

Edit: a pre reg Corsa on a 74 plate is 19k. A 21 plate is well under 10 at this point.

They might be a bit big those. When I said Fiesta, corsa etc i was thinking of the old size, i.e smaller than today's cars. We really need supermini size to fit it on the drive (problem is width not length). Perhaps if i start a new thread it will be easier. will do it now.