So buy a used Mini.
Very efficiency, small batteries, but if she is doing pedestrian mileage it makes no odds.
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So buy a used Mini.
Very efficiency, small batteries, but if she is doing pedestrian mileage it makes no odds.
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Couple of interesting EV videos imo.
A load EVs from China and the world.
Nice city EV, although still weights 1500kgs and has 41kw battery so erm
A load EVs from China and the world.
Nice city EV, although still weights 1500kgs and has 41kw battery so erm
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The old Leaf is only a couple of CM wider than the old Fiestas, etc. the second gen one only about 3CM wider.
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Looks like they copied Honda E's homework, but gave it a 41kw battery instead of 35.Nice city EV, although still weights 1500kgs and has 41kw battery so erm
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Since getting my e208 on a pretty damn cheap salary sacrifice deal (£290 net for 15000 miles pa) in January I've become a bit of an EV convert.
I need a large EV in the not to distant future to replace my big car. One suitable for taking bikes and family etc. The upcoming Kia PV5 looks like it could be good. Just a shame it won't have range of 300+ which I'd kind of like.
I need a large EV in the not to distant future to replace my big car. One suitable for taking bikes and family etc. The upcoming Kia PV5 looks like it could be good. Just a shame it won't have range of 300+ which I'd kind of like.
Problem with that (and all vans) is it's shaped like a brick, you'd need a huge battery to get that range!
To be honest, if the LR gets close to 200 on the motorway and it does the charge speed they're advertising, I don't think it's too much of an issue, especially given the pricing (SR is £33k, so assuming (hoping) the LR will be in the region of £37-38k).
Been watching it with some interest since it was announced, hoping there will be some decent used examples < £30k when my lease is up in 2 years as this looks perfect for us
To be honest, if the LR gets close to 200 on the motorway and it does the charge speed they're advertising, I don't think it's too much of an issue, especially given the pricing (SR is £33k, so assuming (hoping) the LR will be in the region of £37-38k).
Been watching it with some interest since it was announced, hoping there will be some decent used examples < £30k when my lease is up in 2 years as this looks perfect for us
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The ID. Buzz style ones don't do too badly, the problem with EV vans is the range hit when loaded up and/or equipment on them (which might increase drag) - sure ICE vans take a fair hit as well doing that but they usually still have useful range - if you are just chucking bikes, etc. in them usually much less of an issue.
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I have a Buzz and it's great but range is never going to be great on those size things. Real world that 71kWh battery in the PV5 long range will barely do 200 I reckon, so maybe best looking at an EV9 or something which has a much bigger battery and slightly more aero shape (and still has 7 seats)
I doubt it'll be under £40k but we can hope, it's a great alternative to the Buzz though which is way too expensive new
I popped this in the stocks and shares thread but is relevant here too.
www.dailymail.co.uk
This could genuinely be Tesla's saving grace.
Tesla's bombshell move to oust Elon Musk as CEO
Tesla began a search to replace CEO Elon Musk amid stock turmoil and negative press from the 'First Buddy' serving as head of the Department of Government Efficiency.
This could genuinely be Tesla's saving grace.
That Daily Fail article is ripped off the original WSJ story citing unnamed sources.
Musk has denied it as has Robin Denholm who is the Tesla chair.
The BBC article carries the quote from Robin Denholm:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4n94klqg9o
Edit: I should add that I’d probably replace him at this point.
Musk has denied it as has Robin Denholm who is the Tesla chair.
The BBC article carries the quote from Robin Denholm:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4n94klqg9o
Edit: I should add that I’d probably replace him at this point.
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The same Tesla board members who recently sold off vast quantities of their own stock…
Probably some truth to the story to be fair - it would be the sensible move and exactly the same thing Elon did to the original founders of the company.
Best get the freezer fired up to stick some revenge in.
Probably some truth to the story to be fair - it would be the sensible move and exactly the same thing Elon did to the original founders of the company.
Best get the freezer fired up to stick some revenge in.
As much as I don't like Musk, surely long term Tesla would be better off with him?
What is the alternative? Without his wackyness will it just be design by committee and voice of the customer until it just makes boring and irrelevant products?
What makes you think the current revenue earners (3&Y) aren’t boring and standard haha
In my view, they (Musk) can’t seem to decide what Tesla is. Is it a car company? Is it a truck company? Energy? AI? Uber alternative? Robot company? Who knows at this point.
Tesla is an increasingly complex entity with an increasingly erratic and absent CEO. The last few years have been a disaster.
The reason I say they should get rid of him is because while he seems to be taking the company down some frankly disastrous directions and spending way too much of their resources on side projects like Humanoid Robots.
In terms of the core product line up, Tesla really isn’t in a significantly different place to where it was 5 years ago.
Tesla is still stuck with the Model 3 and Y, 2 niche vehicles no one really wants to buy anymore because they have been left to rot (S, X), and the Cybertruck which failed to meet performance and pricing expectations. The truck fiasco was directly because Musk was stupidly optimistic as to what they could actually deliver. The Cybertruck and Semi are not suitable for markets outside of America - absolute disaster.
They still haven’t launched the Roaster unveiled in 2017.
Meanwhile most other automakers have mainstream products on the market in most segments now. Just look at Hyundai/Kia/Genesis, they are absolutely killing it at their respective price points.
The energy division seems to be doing well, as is the rapid charging division despite all Musks best efforts to fire the entire charging team last year because of a spat with their executive who stood up to Musk when he gave Tesla the Dodge treatment.
Isn't that a business decision though? Core products that evolve rather than reinvent every few years.
I'm no Musk fan but to say that the last few years has been a disaster for Tesla when they only turned profitable barely 5 years ago is a bit of a disservice to the company.
He has probably always been the extreme odd ball character we see now but the difference is that he's been given (and bought himself) media attention. I used to look on the BBC News technology section and at times Musk would feature in over half of the articles on the main page. He's low hanging fruit for lazy journalists and he plays up to that to massage his ego.
That said, he served his purpose and that purpose was to bring his disciples (and their bank balances) and keep then believing in the vision during the years that Tesla were haemorrhaging money vieing for market share and there is no denying that he did an extremely good job of that. The magnet has spun on his personality and now it is actively repelling people so Tesla need to find a way to out him with it appearing as a win for Elon.
I wasn’t suggesting they need to reinvent the 3 and Y, they are doing their with the refreshes anyway.
It’s more that they have gone to the effort to built up the 3 and Y platform and then decided not to launch the obvious complementary models to flesh out the range (e.g. a compact SUV and a hatchback). They’d be cheap to develop as they’d be parts bins of the existing range and could be produced on the existing lines - like most manufacturers do. See VAG and Kia/Hyundai.
Instead they made a US only pickup truck which has been a bit of a flop and the Cyber cab whatever the hell that is while the ‘Model 2’ was reportedly cancelled.
People have been asking for a ‘Model 2’ for years, they didn’t want a Cyber cab.
The Musk product direction is all off the back of the fallacy that no one will own/drive cars when self driving cars are a thing and AI is the next big thing. As you know, according to Musk that is just one year away for Tesla, he just forgets to mention which year he is measuring from.
Yep, indeed, in some ways (looks) they are distinctly average and have flaws (ride on the pre refresh models) but now more than ever they still excel in several areas (bizarrely)
My Model Y is still one of the most (real world) efficient cars around, yet still has ~400HP and comes fully loaded for £50k which is why it was one of the best value when leasing.
Since we have many EVs in work its been obvious to see many repeat leasers who have had all the negative experiences with Charging, crap software and other niggles jump over to Tesla and whilst its flaws are still apparent, living with it is usually a very good experience. Even things like Dog Mode and some of the less obvious things like having full access to a lot of granular data (e.g. Teslamate) is nice, not to mention a full dash cam system embedded..
There are many other EVs I'd like to own (Ioniq 5, Polestar 3, EV400, i5 etc), but I just know they'd be annoying when doing longer trips and the novelty had worn off..
I agree with the sentiment..
However, the smaller cars are just less profitable to do cheaply, look at the ID.2, announced many moons ago as well and only just kind of coming to fruition, the ID.3 is poor VFM so not sure how they'll pull off the ID.2 in a congested market. It would be interesting to see what a Model 2 would be like, but I can't see the business case for it.
The thing with Musks incessant drive to autonomous is that on one hand its a folly, on the other it has kept the SW pushing forward and the results looking at the US FSD is mightily impressive, I think without Musk it'll go all design by committee/voice of the customer and just inevitably position themselves as a me too product that gets drowned out by the chinese offerings until the brand dies.. The only things for me that keep a Tesla relevant and different are the approach to software and features..