EV general discussion

[DarkBahamut]

That’s a big IF and is unlikely to be the case.

Pretty much all EVs slow down to a lesser or greater extent as the SOC (voltage) drops.

They do, but not many start dropping power as soon as your away from 100% SoC though. That is a pretty notable deficiency.

If it had 1000 kW output then sure, but anything with 200-350 kW output with a reasonably sized battery should still be able to do near full output down to around 50% SoC at least, assuming it's warm conditions. To drop power at a linear level means it's current limited, and that only happens if they're running undersized power cables from the battery, or don't have a big enough 3 phase inverter for the motor to handle the increased input current as SoC decreases. Both of those are not good, but it how you get cheap power I suppose.

 

[bigmike20vt]

The Peugeot has 281hp Vs the Xpower's 429bhp. I have read the performance drops linearly with charge until it reaches 10% charge where it can still output 180bhp. The Xpower will outperform the e208 until around 50% charge and that is assuming the the e208 delivers full performance at all levels of charge.

if all you care about is 0-60 then get the xpower. it's a super fast car for its price.
me.... personally i think almost all EVs are fast enough. I have an ipace and a BMW i3. the ipace is a far quicker car... but honestly the i3 "feels" faster due to its size etc when doing legal speeds
on long journeys I am taking the jaguar every time but for short journeys and things like the school / scouts run or where it's likely to be grid locked.... I take the i3 every time..
the biggest advantage to me of the MG4 over the 208 would be it's practicality (and I do like the orange colour) but I can quite believe the 208 will be a more "fun" drive on twisty roads. ultimately both are likely to be good cars depending on what you want so there doesn't seem much point arguing about it.
you buy the MG4 and enjoy beating chavs at the traffic lights which it will likely do with ease.

 

[sandys]

I probably have the same drivetrain in my Abarth that is in the Peugeot, it derates at 50%, still feels decent, the car handles well, the diff is lovely, the car is quite chuckable with great seats that keep you in, but yeah, my Volvo would murder it in a straight line and is a better car for people, this doesn't not make it the car I want to drive, same as the MG Xpower.

If you see the underside of an MG after 2yrs, I'm not sure it's something you want to be going quick in, bits might fall off Its like a 70s Italian car.

 

[lovelyhead]

I probably have the same drivetrain in my Abarth that is in the Peugeot, it derates at 50%, still feels decent, the car handles well, the diff is lovely, the car is quite chuckable with great seats that keep you in, but yeah, my Volvo would murder it in a straight line and is a better car for people, this doesn't not make it the car I want to drive, same as the MG Xpower.

If you see the underside of an MG after 2yrs, I'm not sure it's something you want to be going quick in, bits might fall off Its like a 70s Italian car.

My 2023 MG4 is absolutely fine underneath. Not sure where you are getting that from

 

[HoneyBadger]

Dont underestimate nostalgia. Very tempted to test drive/buy a 208 eGTI. I had earmarked a 911 this year but just can’t be bothered and have switched views with the price of Petrol/Diesel. Love our new PHEV.

I’ve always had a soft spot for the GTI Pugs, having owned a 1990 205 GTI 1.9 8v, 1992 205 GTI 1.6 8v (which I then Mi16 16v swapped), and a 2000 306 GTI-6 - all of which I adored so this brings out the ‘boy racer’ in me but with a modern, more civilised twist.

Much cheaper than buying, running and maintaining a 911.

 

[chanjy]

Arguing over whether an MG or a Peugeot has the better interior brings that special Olympics meme to my mind

Would a Born VZ be a better option than both?

 

[rodenal]

In this situation it's worth trying a variety of similar cars including the Born and I'd also suggest trying the less powerful but bigger battery MG4 too (77kwh) for a "budget" option.

Thing is, the Xpower can deliver it's power in a straight line but falls apart a little bit everywhere else and you need to be very careful with both 1) the interior and how it stands the test of time and 2) MG themselves should you need anything or anything happen with the car, as they are quite frankly terrible (I have an MG4 company car that goes back imminently - been a good car however no real standout amongst it's competition and I've been consistently disappointed by both it's efficiency and any dealer interaction).

Slapping massive power in an electric car really exposes how drivable the underlying chassis really is, my car is quite good fun tbh but a little underpowered (hence I think the bigger battery worth looking at as comes with a bit more oomph), whereas I had an Xpower courtesy car and did not enjoy it at all - it was all over the place. Felt under braked, over engined and I had zero confidence in trying to drive it "enthusiastically" as a result.

My general experience and tbh gut feel is that of the more general, mass market EV's somewhere around the 300bhp mark (assuming it's not a massive SUV tank) is probably where you'll find the right balance.

Ultimately though you like what you like and it depends how it fits into your life and what the priorities are for you personally, so go try some

 

[sandys]

My 2023 MG4 is absolutely fine underneath. Not sure where you are getting that from

Just from the underneath of my mates 18month old MG5, he's an MX5 owner and has never seen anythng so bad and MX5s are rust buckets he's is not impressed especially as he bought it and owns it, not a lease to hand back. There is enough evidence on the MG forums to back this up, he is not alone.

Only goes up and down the M5 Bristol to Gloucester, not exactly by the sea or anything.

 

[ChrisD.]

Ah 0-60, that talked about stat that pretty much no-one ever uses.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Which one has the plastic calliper covers…

 

[lovelyhead]

Ah 0-60, that talked about stat that pretty much no-one ever uses.

Kind of true I guess.

Better figures to use would be 0 - 30 and maybe 20 - 70. The first being pulling away at traffic lights, roundabouts etc and the second motorway slip roads. Both of these scenarios the Xpower will be quicker. Even spirited driving on country roads will be better with the Xpower with it's all wheel drive Vs front wheel drive of the Peugeot.

You just have to look at the base spec models of both cars to see which of the performance versions of the car is going to be the more fun to drive in absence of any real world comparisons. The MG4 is a purpose built EV that was designed with sporty handling in mind with it's 50/50 weight distribution and rear wheel drive. The e308 was designed to work as an ICE as well as an EV, has front wheel drive and is described as being more tuned for comfort rather than being sporty.

 

[The_One]

Kind of true I guess.

Better figures to use would be 0 - 30 and maybe 20 - 70. The first being pulling away at traffic lights, roundabouts etc and the second motorway slip roads. Both of these scenarios the Xpower will be quicker. Even spirited driving on country roads will be better with the Xpower with it's all wheel drive Vs front wheel drive of the Peugeot.

You just have to look at the base spec models of both cars to see which of the performance versions of the car is going to be the more fun to drive in absence of any real world comparisons. The MG4 is a purpose built EV that was designed with sporty handling in mind with it's 50/50 weight distribution and rear wheel drive. The e308 was designed to work as an ICE as well as an EV, has front wheel drive and is described as being more tuned for comfort rather than being sporty.

The mg4 doesnt handle tho reviews slated the handling of it

 

[sandys]

It handles just not up there with a modern hot hatch a bit roly poly, if the e208 is setup like my Abarth, it will be rock solid, no roll and marginally too stiff for UK roads, pretty much how all my hot hatches have been, I don't mind it

 

[rodenal]

It handles just not up there with a modern hot hatch a bit roly poly, if the e208 is setup like my Abarth, it will be rock solid, no roll and marginally too stiff for UK roads, pretty much how all my hot hatches have been, I don't mind it

It's all over the place tbh, feels like a totally different car to the base model as it just cannot cope with the power and the drive from all 4 wheels is poorly calibrated.

It basically feels completely unpredictable and slightly uncontrolled

 

[Jonnycoupe]

My 2023 MG4 is absolutely fine underneath. Not sure where you are getting that from

How come you’ve been under a 3 year old car? Was something broken?

 

[lovelyhead]

I am going to leave this here:

A car you can buy used with less than 10,000 miles for sub £20,000 that destroys supercars at street legal speeds. Can't see the e308GTI being able to do that.

Being a base model MG4 owner the handling is very good in that car. It is very fun to drive.

 

[m4rmite]

Just from the underneath of my mates 18month old MG5, he's an MX5 owner and has never seen anythng so bad and MX5s are rust buckets he's is not impressed especially as he bought it and owns it, not a lease to hand back. There is enough evidence on the MG forums to back this up, he is not alone.

Only goes up and down the M5 Bristol to Gloucester, not exactly by the sea or anything.

Yet my 5+year old mg underside is fine.

 

[lovelyhead]

How come you’ve been under a 3 year old car? Was something broken?

Just had a look whilst getting tyres changed. I don't want to temp fate but at three years old the only issues the car has had is a leaky tyre valve.

 

[lovelyhead]

Yet my 5+year old mg underside is fine.

There are plenty people worrying about rust on MG forums but I haven't actually found anyone with actual serious rust problems and the cars have been around since 2022.

 

[HoneyBadger]

I am going to leave this here:

A car you can buy used with less than 10,000 miles for sub £20,000 that destroys supercars at street legal speeds. Can't see the e308GTI being able to do that.

Being a base model MG4 owner the handling is very good in that car. It is very fun to drive.

What about the e208GTI?