EV general discussion

[tamzzy]

Using those superchargers really wipes out much of the savings.

yeah if charging during peak time

so realistically, for actual usable energy, you'd be paying 54p/kwh peak

= 13.5p/mile...not far off actual dino juice prices i think

(could've charged off-peak, just CBA )

 

[Journey]

That sounds expensive to be honest. Using those superchargers really wipes out much of the savings.

£33 for 450 miles expensive? 7.33p per mile? A gallon of unleaded petrol is £8 and get you 40-50 miles, 16p a mile at 50mpg or 20p at 40mpg.

But you are correct if you are changing a perfectly good car where you do low mileage with low running costs then buying an EV if you just want to get from A to B for the lowest cost then you likely stick with what you have.

 

[tamzzy]

this is my total fuel cost since jan -comparator is my old 440i, 32mpg @ £1.70/L
(march was an anomaly as there was a malfunctioning charger at work dispensing free electricity...you bet i rode that gravy train for as long as it lasted... )

 

[Diddums]

But you are correct if you are changing a perfectly good car where you do low mileage with low running costs then buying an EV if you just want to get from A to B for the lowest cost then you likely stick with what you have.

This is where we're at. Our current car is just short of 80k miles, and 8 years old. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love the thing but it's also starting to throw bills and I cba with it. Also I'm at that point in my career where driving an 8 year old girl's car really isn't doing me any favours.

 

[Journey]

Also I'm at that point in my career where driving an 8 year old girl's car really isn't doing me any favours.

I didn't know 8 year old girls were allowed to drive.

 

[robj20]

£33 for 450 miles expensive? 7.33p per mile? A gallon of unleaded petrol is £8 and get you 40-50 miles, 16p a mile at 50mpg or 20p at 40mpg.

But you are correct if you are changing a perfectly good car where you do low mileage with low running costs then buying an EV if you just want to get from A to B for the lowest cost then you likely stick with what you have.

I'm averaging 67mpg in my diesel at the minute. 800 miles to a tank easy.
It's going to be a big change going to an EV, I normally park on the road but that will most likely need to change.
I'll run my current car until it starts to give me issues. So much to read about with EVs.

 

[Demon]

Surely there's no downside? Free fiver, you still get your 7 hours and if you do happen to get an intelligent slot then extra cheap rate time.

Yeah I'll set it up at some.e point, but due to patchy mobile network here, the cars often lag 10-20 mins and kraken didnt always refister, burning through peak rate electricity.. however we are getting our local mast upgraded and should have that sorted in October.

 

[DarkBahamut]

this is my 2022 model 3 (non-highland)
4.5mi/kwh combined efficiency winter + summer...but i would still use 4mi/kwh for worst-case scenario planning
(when i was doing my man maths i actually used 3.5mi/kwh lol...obvs with hindsight that was a gross error in my financial favour )

Thats 4.5 mi/kWh driven though. Once you factor in charging losses that 4.5 mi/kWh is really much closer to 4 mi/kWh for actual charging costs anyway. I probably would still consider 3.5 mi/kWh for costing myself as ~4 mi/kWh isn't really worst case for power actually pulled from the wall.

 

[Journey]

I'm averaging 67mpg in my diesel at the minute. 800 miles to a tank easy.
It's going to be a big change going to an EV, I normally park on the road but that will most likely need to change.
I'll run my current car until it starts to give me issues. So much to read about with EVs.

From a non-car based perspective, one of the things that I like is I am not paying money to support he Middle East or the USA, or Russia to run my vehicle, and it can be run from cleaner energy generated locally, or literally on my house. You see the same argument form people that don't want to buy solar and invest in their home, they'll happily pay £100 to a faceless corporation to supply energy endlessly putting up with prices rises and complaining about it, but my goodness if you suggest they take out a loan and pay £100 a month to be nearly self sufficient it's like you've swore at them and called them a series of unpleasant names.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

@Diddums if you are in rented accommodation and have a driveway, your landlord can get a grant for a charger. You may have to top up the cost as the grant only really covers installation.

 

[Diddums]

@Diddums if you are in rented accommodation and have a driveway, your landlord can get a grant for a charger. You may have to top up the cost as the grant only really covers installation.

Thanks, but we don't have a driveway unfortunately. We have a garage, two gardens, three bedrooms, three bathrooms, and no driveway. You couldn't write this stuff.

 

[Journey]

We have a garage

Is it a tiny teeny garage?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Thanks, but we don't have a driveway unfortunately. We have a garage, two gardens, three bedrooms, three bathrooms, and no driveway. You couldn't write this stuff.

Garage will do if you can park your car near enough to use it and you can get power to it.

It’s a condition of the grant that you must have off street parking.

 

[tamzzy]

It's going to be a big change going to an EV, I normally park on the road but that will most likely need to change.

Thanks, but we don't have a driveway unfortunately.

if you can't charge at home then the economics of owning/driving an EV isn't as clear cut, esp as ppm is due to be rolled out in 18 months time

 

[bloodiedathame]

@Diddums could you park up next to the garage door?

 

[robj20]

if you can't charge at home then the economics of owning/driving an EV isn't as clear cut, esp as ppm is due to be rolled out in 18 months time

Going to hurt that ppm, is it instead of the current £200 a year so for me would be £360 based on 12k a year.
Currently pay £35 a year. That's 3 months worth of diesel for me.

Insurance seems a fair bit higher as well, Mondeo is group 18 and the EV4 is 35.

 

[Haggisman]

Going to hurt that ppm, is it instead of the current £200 a year so for me would be £360 based on 12k a year.
Currently pay £35 a year. That's 3 months worth of diesel for me.

No, its both, so £560 VED for 12k miles

 

[robj20]

No, its both, so £560 VED for 12k miles

5 months worth of diesel that wipes out all the savings.

I need to find out if we can charge for free at work.
Looks like the Kia can limit charge to 80% which I presume is good for EVs the same as it is for mobile phone batteries.

 

[MrRongCar]

5 months worth of diesel that wipes out all the savings.

I need to find out if we can charge for free at work.
Looks like the Kia can limit charge to 80% which I presume is good for EVs the same as it is for mobile phone batteries.

You should ideally limit the charging, yes.


Surely even at £560 a year plus monthly charging costs, it’s still a fair bit cheaper than ICE?

 

[Haggisman]

Surely even at £560 a year plus monthly charging costs, it’s still a fair bit cheaper than ICE?

Depends how much you're paying for the car itself I guess, and whether those charging costs are on a cheap home overnight rate or for public charging