EV general discussion

SDK^ said:
So for an ICE driver, 10k miles of fuel at 45mpg average consumption is about £1500. There is still a way to go in electricity price increases before EV's become close to this.
Even if the off-peak rate was to be stopped, the on-peak cost of 30p kWh for 10k miles is about £1,100 for me.
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The Ford Focus I recently got rid of averaged 31mpg over the 2.5+ years I had it, as it was mostly town miles (and also a conventional automatic gearbox). In similar conditions my Kona so far is averaging around 3.8mi/kWh. If we do those figures over 10k miles:

Focus @ £1.43/L: £2,096
Kona @ 7.5p/kWh: £197
Kona @ 30p/kWh: £789

I'd have to hit 79p/kWh to get £2,079 electricity cost for 10,000 miles. And that average on the Kona is over winter with lots of heating. I'd expect to be upwards of 4.5mi/kWh or more when summer comes around. If I go for 4.2mi/kWh as average then:

Kona @ 7.5p/kWh: £178
Kona @ 30p/kWh: £714

I'd then need 88p/kWh to make £2,095 in electricity. Decent, really.
 
Journey said:
I didn't realise there were still places that people lived (on-grid) that had no mobile signal in the UK at all. :eek:
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Yup, its a nightmare where we are. Basically, where we are geographically it means the signal goes straight over the top of us and there's little to no signal on any network (certainly none indoors). Joys of rural Wales living I suppose.
 
Journey said:
Badge snob.. Ford... :cry:

Sorry I mean Mustang.

You should 100% get her in one and go for a test drive.



Absolutely stacks of new EV's coming out in 2022/23, not sure how many of them as SUV's though.

Have you looked at the BMW iX? Or is the budget not big enough for it?

Also camper van, VW ID.Buzz is out very soon. Looks amazing. :D
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Haha, I know re Ford!

I do like the look of the iX. We swore off big obnoxious cars having had a few. May be being electric reduced the obnoxiousness a bit!

Yeah ID Buzz looks good. Will be interesting to see range. Needs to be pretty massive to make it viable alternative for that purpose.


Spleen Sauce said:
If I were you I’d stick with the Countryman for another year or so if it’s serving it’s purpose. Balloon is probably going to be far less than what you could probably trade it in for at a complete guess with the current market so not likely to lose much by keeping it for a while. See what comes out in the next year or so.
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Yeah I had a look the other day. There is quite a lot in the car if I pay the balloon. I am tempted to do that.

I can't get very excited about the current choices.
 
lordrobs said:
If we are looking in purely economical terms then the price difference between the BEV and equivalent ICE model also needs to be factored in...
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For people obtaining an EV through personal leases or cash purchases this is relevant.
Most EV's users are doing it through company car or salary sacrifice schemes and it's actually currently cheaper to go EV than ICE (like-for-like cars) because of the BIK and Tax savings.
 
lordrobs said:
If we are looking in purely economical terms then the price difference between the BEV and equivalent ICE model also needs to be factored in...

Anyone here experienced anything like this?! - EV charger wars
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The purchase price difference doesn’t really need to be added in, but the amount lost in depreciation does.

If an ICE car cost me £35k but was worth £15k in 4 years time that would be the same as a £55k EV being worth £35k in the same 4 year span.

Purchase price only dictates immediate affordability, not really TCO unless you never plan to sell.
 
lordrobs said:
If we are looking in purely economical terms then the price difference between the BEV and equivalent ICE model also needs to be factored in...

Anyone here experienced anything like this?! - EV charger wars
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Well considering they pitch the M3P against the BMW M3, C63s and the Giulia QV then sure go for it. Perhaps something more mainstream is the Golf vs Id.3 then it’s an £8k difference. Maybe we should factor in depreciation as well which EVs fair a lot better in too. Plus much lower servicing costs. I think once you get over the upfront cost of the EV you will have paid it back within a few years.
 
lordrobs said:
If we are looking in purely economical terms then the price difference between the BEV and equivalent ICE model also needs to be factored in...
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I'll echo as above, re the TCO, the residual value left in the car is probably just as important as the upfront cost. Obviously it depends on how you finance the car in the first place, and if you ever intend to get rid of it. However if you never intend to get rid of it that means you are going to be keeping it a very long time, and as such the fuel offset will easily get rid of the extra cost upfront over the ownership period.

You only need to look at people complaining how expensive second hand EV's are, and that they'll never be cheap enough, yet these are also the people that are saying they cost to much new as well, they just forget the middle bit.
 
I’m getting at nothing, I’m suggested the laws of physics apply on a car that’s is often looked passed on the “super efficient” Hyundai narrative. That is all.

Kona at 4180mm and ~1500kg makes it a small car (I’ll back off on the dramatic tiny)

There is no denying it’s delivering superbly on what it’s designed to do though.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
I’m getting at nothing, I’m suggested the laws of physics apply on a car that’s is often looked passed on the “super efficient” Hyundai narrative. That is all.

Kona at 4180mm and ~1500kg makes it a small car (I’ll back off on the dramatic tiny)

There is no denying it’s delivering superbly on what it’s designed to do though.
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But I don’t get that sort of efficiency in our Zoe or e208 so there is something good going on there. Not all down to size
 
Ben Cole said:
@oweneades it may interest you to know that I've had my Kona just over a year now. Done 32k miles at an average of 4.0 mi/kwh. This is obviously mostly motorway miles.
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That is great going, 32k miles in a year. Could you tell me please what % has been home/work charging vs. public, and if public what % is rapid vs. normal (fast) 7kW? Also excellent efficeincy, really does show how badly other manufacturers are doing when you are still lugging around a 64kWh+ battery with you, and you still achieve 4mpkWh.
 
chanjy said:
But I don’t get that sort of efficiency in our Zoe or e208 so there is something good going on there. Not all down to size
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bigger electrons

really it’s a single motor with a low mass and a small frontal area. There is no magic powertrain just a relatively small car

higher mileage will also mean the battery is at optimum temperate for a higher % of total miles (less impact of cold starts)
 
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