EV general discussion

Jonnycoupe · 10 Feb 2022 at 10:01

Ben has history with his Clio as well really good efficiency from that. Sometimes guys it’s just the route

Spleen Sauce · 10 Feb 2022 at 10:37

Jonnycoupe said:
Sometimes guys it’s just the route

That's a good point, and something I've noticed can make a big difference. When I drive a common route which is 22 miles each way, the trip there is almost entirely downhill. On the way back, obviously it's mostly uphill. Makes a big difference on the Wh/mi figure.

SDK^ · 10 Feb 2022 at 11:21

Jonnycoupe said:
Ben has history with his Clio as well really good efficiency from that. Sometimes guys it’s just the route

I read the motorway miles he mentioned as drafting lorries

turbot1984 · 10 Feb 2022 at 11:36

I am currently going partly electric with a Mini Countryman PHEV courtesy car. It's embarrassing that it's called a 'Cooper S', and even worse that it costs £37k. Got 7 more days with it as well, nightmare :mad:

Jonnycoupe · 10 Feb 2022 at 11:48

It’s actually an SE and fast?

jpaul · 10 Feb 2022 at 11:48

kona single motor on polestar & bmw defnitely helps compete with kona -
bmw/g20 has the good aero too, like kona - low 0.5's CdA - which will help on Mway

In the current (02 Feb 2022) issue of British magazine Auto EXPRESS ( https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ ) there is a multi-page (page 32-45) comparison test between Polestar 2 LR Single-Motor, Tesla Model3 LR, as well as the BMW i4 eDrive40 M Sport.

Determined consumption:
BMW i4: 3.8mi/kWh
Tesla Model3: 4.4mi/kWh
Polestar: 3.6mi/kWh

Simon · 10 Feb 2022 at 12:00

jpaul said:
kona single motor on polestar & bmw defnitely helps compete with kona -
bmw/g20 has the good aero too, like kona - low 0.5's CdA - which will help on Mway

And driving slower is a massive benefit so without those details we don’t know anything Motorway is probably least efficient for EV as they are impacted much more then an ICE at higher speeds. Sitting on a 50mph A road is going to be peak miles/kWh ( or behind a lorry)

Spleen Sauce · 10 Feb 2022 at 12:09

turbot1984 said:
I am currently going partly electric with a Mini Countryman PHEV courtesy car. It's embarrassing that it's called a 'Cooper S', and even worse that it costs £37k. Got 7 more days with it as well, nightmare

I've driven the latest Countryman PHEV and was actually quite impressed with it. It's called a Cooper S because its got 220 HP when you combine the petrol and electric motors, which is approximately the same as any other Cooper S across the range (its not a JCW after all). £37k for a new car these days isn't actually considered particularly expensive either.

If it's that bad, take the bus

Journey · 10 Feb 2022 at 12:16

Spleen Sauce said:
If it's that bad, take the bus

Have you seen how much the bus costs in non-subsidised locations, might as well buy a car. :cry:

turbot1984 · 10 Feb 2022 at 12:29

Spleen Sauce said:
I've driven the latest Countryman PHEV and was actually quite impressed with it. It's called a Cooper S because its got 220 HP when you combine the petrol and electric motors, which is approximately the same as any other Cooper S across the range (its not a JCW after all). £37k for a new car these days isn't actually considered particularly expensive either.

If it's that bad, take the bus

Impressed? Crashy ride is awful, my mums Polo has a more sporty driving position .... Mini say, '
INSPIRED BY THE TRACK, READY FOR THE ROAD.
Looking to bring a taste of the track to your everyday drive?

Journey · 10 Feb 2022 at 12:32

turbot1984 said:
Looking to bring a taste of the track to your everyday drive?

Maybe they meant the destruction derby track?

turbot1984 · 10 Feb 2022 at 12:34

it could be that it just needs a few extras to make it really 'sporty'? LOL

lordrobs · 10 Feb 2022 at 13:20

SDK^ said:
For people obtaining an EV through personal leases or cash purchases this is relevant.
Most EV's users are doing it through company car or salary sacrifice schemes and it's actually currently cheaper to go EV than ICE (like-for-like cars) because of the BIK and Tax savings.

paradigm said:
The purchase price difference doesn’t really need to be added in, but the amount lost in depreciation does.

If an ICE car cost me £35k but was worth £15k in 4 years time that would be the same as a £55k EV being worth £35k in the same 4 year span.

Purchase price only dictates immediate affordability, not really TCO unless you never plan to sell.

Journey said:
I'll echo as above, re the TCO, the residual value left in the car is probably just as important as the upfront cost. Obviously it depends on how you finance the car in the first place, and if you ever intend to get rid of it. However if you never intend to get rid of it that means you are going to be keeping it a very long time, and as such the fuel offset will easily get rid of the extra cost upfront over the ownership period.

You only need to look at people complaining how expensive second hand EV's are, and that they'll never be cheap enough, yet these are also the people that are saying they cost to much new as well, they just forget the middle bit.

Yup, fair points, it is the depreciation that really counts. I forget that not everyone buys a £5k car and runs it until it is worthless

chanjy · 10 Feb 2022 at 13:41

turbot1984 said:
Impressed? Crashy ride is awful, my mums Polo has a more sporty driving position .... Mini say, '
INSPIRED BY THE TRACK, READY FOR THE ROAD.
Looking to bring a taste of the track to your everyday drive?

Is the driving position different to any other Cooper S?

Batteries might make the ride worse but doubt there's that much difference to a standard Cooper S either.

Sounds like you just don't like the car, nothing to do with the fact it's PHEV

throwaway4372 · 10 Feb 2022 at 13:42

£44k for a mini lol

b0rn2sk8 · 10 Feb 2022 at 13:44

Isn’t the country a based on the X1 or x3 platform? So not ‘just a mini’, it’s a pretty big car?

turbot1984 · 10 Feb 2022 at 14:13

chanjy said:
Is the driving position different to any other Cooper S?

Batteries might make the ride worse but doubt there's that much difference to a standard Cooper S either.

Sounds like you just don't like the car, nothing to do with the fact it's PHEV

I have driven a normal Cooper which is way way better. The closest thing to the Countryman I have driven is the dog-awful Fiat 500X, but at least you can pick one up for £20k.

chanjy · 10 Feb 2022 at 14:13

turbot1984 said:
I have driven a normal Cooper which is way way better. The closest thing to the Countryman I have driven is the dog-awful Fiat 500X, but at least you can pick one up for £20k.

Yeah so you don't like the Countryman (fair enough) - not much to do with it being a PHEV though

Spleen Sauce · 10 Feb 2022 at 15:24

turbot1984 said:
Impressed? Crashy ride is awful, my mums Polo has a more sporty driving position .... Mini say, '
INSPIRED BY THE TRACK, READY FOR THE ROAD.
Looking to bring a taste of the track to your everyday drive?

Granted the one I drove had adaptive suspension and rode decent. And the rest of the drivel is just that - marketing speak. But surely nobody is really buying a Countryman PHEV expecting it to be a sports car. What it is, is a better version (in my opinion) of the BMW X1.

turbot1984 said:
I have driven a normal Cooper which is way way better.

Yes, thats a completely different car aimed at a completely different audience.

inflames · 10 Feb 2022 at 15:52

The More I think about it and get to test them at work the more I would like to own a EV. But realistically I can’t afford one. So I’ll keep to my dirty diesel for now.