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They wear tyres quickly as the tyres have a very small contact patch, they use something like 155/175

Reference i3 contact patch. The patch is narrow but long so similar to a Mini Cooper (BMW) but it still didn't stop me wearing rears at a alarming rate and I tried to drive sensible in ECO.
 
That tyre eating "problem" seems to apply very specifically to the i3. Most BEV's don't seem to have anywhere near the same requirement for tyre changes. It can't just be the torque, as that's little different to other BEV's. Weird.

The fronts on my Zoe are definitely wearing quicker than any other car I've had, the corners are getting a bit low after only 10k.
 
EV's generally wear tyres faster than ICE cars, there is enough data out there to pretty much confirm that has a fact. They tend to have more power than the equivalent ICE e.g. a Leaf has 150PS, the Micra tops out at 117PS, most are 100PS. They also have far more torque and its all available at zero RPM and people like to boot them off the lights so it isn't a surprising conclusion.

Tyre and brake particulates are a huge problem in urban areas and will be the next big thing after diesel starts to die. Brake particulates are less of an issue for EV's but tyres are still a problem. There is a lot of research going into tyres with the aim of reducing the small particulates.

I think this may have been posted already but this talk is worth a listen:
 
Don’t forgot a primary reason for tyre wear is because they tend to be significantly heavier cars.

Which is why it amuses me when people only want an EV when they do 600miles on a charge. The actual reality is 363 days a year they are then driving around in an excessively heavy tyre hungry EV that use more energy than they really need to.
 
i3 s Traction Control adds torque

article discussing sw/hw ? changes made to i3 traction control that may, as discussed, chnage tyre wear
... given the addtional torque probably need better systems than an ice to keep you on th eroad in corners , readg elsewhere the ev solutions where you monitor directly via motor current are the fastest.

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i3 s Traction Control adds torque
article discussing sw/hw ? changes made to i3 traction control that may, as discussed, chnage tyre wear
... given the addtional torque probably need better systems than an ice to keep you on th eroad in corners , readg elsewhere the ev solutions where you monitor directly via motor current are the fastest.

also part of mitigating the issue of broken motor mounts from the sudden torque!
 
Proper awesome, some serious kit. Looking forward to seeing one in at a show.
Looks like the Americans are going to be replacing the EU car manufacturers of the future at the rate.

I do hope not. Build quality of American cars make the average Peugeot look like it was built by Porsche.
 
I do hope not. Build quality of American cars make the average Peugeot look like it was built by Porsche.

Your thinking of current manufacturers, not new ones. However if you are the kind of person to judge a book by its cover or apply stereo types to everything then, uh hu, carry on.
 
They wear tyres quickly as the tyres have a very small contact patch, they use something like 155/175
so google says ... 2cv's were apparently 125... tesla 235
but nonetheless 155 sound skittish in the wet on a bend, even with good rubber .. maybe folks typically upsize
 
They wear tyres quickly as the tyres have a very small contact patch, they use something like 155/175

Ah yeah, forgot the i3 had a smaller than average set of wheels

The next couple of weeks are going to be interesting:

Ford are unveiling their “Mustang inspired” CUV on the 17th. Tesla are unveiling their Truck on the 21st and there’s a third one I can’t remember now.

There are a couple of almost uncamouflaged photos of the Ford, which don’t make it look too bad. It’s supposed to have up to 370miles of WLTP range, but I’m fully expecting it to be on the expensive side unfortunately.

The Tesla pickup is all over the place if you believe all of Musks tweets, so we’ll have to see. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a halo truck rather than mass market at this point in time, especially considering the recent comments about its styling.
 
Eww though.
Tbh the styling is growing on me, just a shame about the price and the lack of a decent bed. It needs to be one (or ideally two) foot longer, which would put it in the realm of most other pickup trucks.


Your thinking of current manufacturers, not new ones. However if you are the kind of person to judge a book by its cover or apply stereo types to everything then, uh hu, carry on.

Erm, Tesla haven’t exactly broken the mould with that stereotype...;)

With Rivian I’d hope a $90k vehicle will be built better than a Peugeot. Most of the high end US vehicles are built by mainstream manufactures who have a “high end” badge, so a little different.
 
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Ah yeah, forgot the i3 had a smaller than average set of wheels

The next couple of weeks are going to be interesting:

Ford are unveiling their “Mustang inspired” CUV on the 17th. Tesla are unveiling their Truck on the 21st and there’s a third one I can’t remember now.

There are a couple of almost uncamouflaged photos of the Ford, which don’t make it look too bad. It’s supposed to have up to 370miles of WLTP range, but I’m fully expecting it to be on the expensive side unfortunately.

The Tesla pickup is all over the place if you believe all of Musks tweets, so we’ll have to see. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a halo truck rather than mass market at this point in time, especially considering the recent comments about its styling.

Tesla pickup looks meh - I wouldn't mind having an electric pickup though - I get 370-450 miles range on my Navara V6 depending on how hard I drive it so that kind of range would be OK.
 
Tesla pickup looks meh

How do you know? It (the Cybertruck) hasn't been unveiled yet. It's unveiled November 21st. Perhaps you mean the concept/idea is "meh". Personally I think it'll be a Marmite product and some will love it, we'll see.
 
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