EV general discussion

[ICDP]

The stuff you've mentioned is exactly the kind of thing I would expect to be easier to "drag" out of an estate, rather than having to lift over a lip, but I guess down to personal preference.



Yup, the Enyaq is definitely a good option, but again, it's not been available in that price range for long at all

Just checked and I think it has a lip on the boot. Then I see some images where it looks totally flat. Maybe a kind Enyaq owner will confirm

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

The stuff you've mentioned is exactly the kind of thing I would expect to be easier to "drag" out of an estate, rather than having to lift over a lip, but I guess down to personal preference.



Yup, the Enyaq is definitely a good option, but again, it's not been available in that price range for long at all

Again from my experience the height meant its easier as your standing properly rather than crouching.
If you want to drag it out to the floor maybe, if you want to pull it out and carry it somewhere its far easier starting at waist type height.

Also just as a btw, not all SUVs have boot lips.

My other halves X BMWs didn't have anything of note

 

[Kenai]

The stuff you've mentioned is exactly the kind of thing I would expect to be easier to "drag" out of an estate, rather than having to lift over a lip, but I guess down to personal preference.

But taking earlier examples, something like the Octavia estate has a significant lip unless you specify the variable floor which reduces the overall nominal capacity a bit in the raised level floor position.

I think the Enyaq is the same - it can be level if you option the variable floor.

 

[Haggisman]

Again from my experience the height meant its easier as your standing properly rather than crouching.
If you want to drag it out to the floor maybe, if you want to pull it out and carry it somewhere its far easier starting at waist type height.

Also just as a btw, not all SUVs have boot lips.

My other halves X BMWs didn't have anything of note

True, my Niro doesn't really have one (I still wouldn't want to sleep in the boot though )

I guess I might be slightly spoiled as I'm comparing to this:

 

[Kenai]

True, my Niro doesn't really have one (I still wouldn't want to sleep in the boot though )

I guess I might be slightly spoiled as I'm comparing to this:

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That has the optional variable floor in it I think, that's why it's got a level lip.

 

[pc-guy]

Getting a few emails from Love electric - some lease are coming down such as the MG4 and ZS (neither are my cup of tea). Hopefully that’s a sign of A) reducing OTR price and B) better residual calculation

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Probably more of a sign of softening demand and/or better supply so manufacturers are dropping margins to keep sales up.

 

[jpaul]

Before you go on a "it's an SUV" rant , it is actually more estate than SUV and is a few cm shorter, a few cm wider and only 14,8cm taller than both the Octavia etate or the Focus estate. If you are gneuinely going to call ~15cm taller substantial enough to warrant an anti SUV stance?

yes but those similar 15cm(accurately18cm) difference on model y versus model 3 say, yield 20% difference in practical mpg eg.

Tesla Model Y vs. Model 3 Range & Efficiency Test (Video) - CleanTechnica

Tesla Model Y vs. Model 3 Range & Efficiency Test

cleantechnica.com

 

[Haggisman]

That has the optional variable floor in it I think, that's why it's got a level lip.

Yeah it does. I guess it would be possible to build something similar for any car with a bit of thick ply

 

[Simon]

One thing about VW's packaging that irritated me... The motor in the front of the ID3 is so much smaller than the engine it replaces - why didn't they incorporate a frunk?

What motor in the front ? It’s rear wheel drive ! That’s the point. The rear motor interfers with the boot. The golf didn’t have a rear motor at all

 

[Sinbad2000]

What motor in the front ? It’s rear wheel drive ! That’s the point. The rear motor interfers with the boot. The golf didn’t have a rear motor at all

my point exactly ....

 

[Jonnycoupe]

One thing about VW's packaging that irritated me... The motor in the front of the ID3 is so much smaller than the engine it replaces - why didn't they incorporate a frunk?

HVAC under the bonnet instead of the cabin.

 

[Simon]

Heater matrix. But yes it’s annoying not having somewhere for wet cables etc. cupra the same. Maybe it’s cause they knew the bonnet release handles are made of cheese and snap

 

[SDK^]

Here‘s an interesting world BEV sales chart I found on Twitter, which shows how each brand is doing since 2020.
Growth is at 83% year-on-year across the BEV sector.

Affordability is probably the biggest factor for the continued growth, with Tesla and BYD making the early moves.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

For me the biggest factor is the rise of the Chinese automotive sector. They are making moves, their products are actually good and only the first initial landing parties have arrive in Europe.

We are yet to see the full scale of the Chinese automotive machine. Kia and Hyundai and Tesla are already causing the native European manufacturers a bit of pain and there is only more to come.

 

[ICDP]

I predict the Euro governments slapping tariffs on Chinese imports to protect the legacy car makers. I would be perfectly fine with this to be honest.

 

[jigger]

For me the biggest factor is the rise of the Chinese automotive sector. They are making moves, their products are actually good and only the first initial landing parties have arrive in Europe.

We are yet to see the full scale of the Chinese automotive machine. Kia and Hyundai and Tesla are already causing the native European manufacturers a bit of pain and there is only more to come.

Most of the Chinese car manufacturers will go bust.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I predict the Euro governments slapping tariffs on Chinese imports to protect the legacy car makers. I would be perfectly fine with this to be honest.

They can’t if they want to play by WTO rules. It’s tariffs on all cars coming into the EU (not covered by another FTA) or nothing. They already have a 10% import tariff on cars coming from outside the EU. Tesla, Polestar, MG etc are already subject to it.

Most of the Chinese car manufacturers will go bust.

Many of them are partly or wholly owed by the Chinese government make of that what you will but they basically have unlimited money.

Just like the likes of GM, Ford etc in the states, they will not be allowed to go bust because they are too important to fail now.

BYD makes as many lithium iron batteries as anyone else at this point. It’s their core business and what they did before they started making cars, buses etc.

 

[jigger]

They can’t if they want to play by WTO rules. It’s tariffs on all cars coming into the EU (not covered by another FTA) or nothing. They already have a 10% import tariff on cars coming from outside the EU. Tesla, Polestar, MG etc are already subject to it.


Many of them are partly or wholly owed by the Chinese government make of that what you will but they basically have unlimited money.

Just like the likes of GM, Ford etc in the states, they will not be allowed to go bust because they are too important to fail now.

BYD makes as many lithium iron batteries as anyone else at this point. It’s their core business and what they did before they started making cars, buses etc.

I seem to remember at one count the number of Chinese manufacturers was over 300.

 

[SDK^]

Most of the Chinese car manufacturers will go bust.

The view across the car industry analysts is that Tesla and the Chinese companies will force most of the legacy makers into bankruptcy.
Looking at BYD BEV growth from 2020 - it’s 4x VW and more than Tesla.