EV general discussion

adam cool dude said:
Driving an EV is akin to going through a McDonald's drive through and having processed food. It is very quick and does the job but leaves you empty at the end. Driving an ICE car is akin to making a lasagne from scratch and enjoying the fruits of your labour with a glass of red. There is no comparison.
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I have driven a few ICE cars and don't claim to be the world's best driver . I have also only driven 1 EV enough to give an informed opinion but I would say my EV drives really well and is more than just straight line speed (actually as far as EVs go it's not special in that regard)

however that said, all of that is to actually miss the point of an EV

I was stuck behind a diesel last night and the amount of stuff it was belching our was a joke. also stank
NOTE I am not judging. our 2nd car is still a diesel and will remain so until we replace it . not to mention it cost £85 to fill it up this morning . that is at a rough guess almost 3000 miles worth of cost in my EV (when charged on home EV tarif)
 
adam cool dude said:
There is more to driving a car enthusiastically than in a straight line. EV's are a one trick pony in that regard. Aural pleasure and physical enjoyment as in being able to flow through corners nicely and having input into the enjoyment is more important to myself at least.

Driving an EV is akin to going through a McDonald's drive through and having processed food. It is very quick and does the job but leaves you empty at the end. Driving an ICE car is akin to making a lasagne from scratch and enjoying the fruits of your labour with a glass of red. There is no comparison.
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Can’t remember the last time I drove a car to ‘flow through the corners nicely’

If I did there would probably be buckets of sick to mop up afterwards from the back seats lol
 
adam cool dude said:
My only experience of EV is a model 3 performance. Isn't that meant to be one of the most involving?
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If the only reason you buy cars is how they flow through corners and going through the gears for optimum performance, then an EV will never match a good ICE spots car. I have an I-Pace and while it’s great handling as far as EVs go, it is nowhere near as engaging as a BMW 118i manual M Sport. Or even a 4 Series Gran Coupe 2.0d and neither are renowned for their sporty credentials :D

On the other hand if you want zen on wheels with great straight line performance and OK handling (for a 2.2 ton EV). Then an I-Pace is right up your street. :p
 
Jonnycoupe said:
It was after driving one I realised how much better the IPACE is on the driver scale.
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As an I-Pace owner I would never claim an EV can be as “involving” as a manual gearbox sporty ICE. So in that sense any EV is indeed a one trick pony. My wife’s old 118i RWD M Sport was far more agile, involving and better handling than the I-Pace. Straight line performance was crap in comparison of course.

Would I prefer one over the I-Pace, no. Would I happily go back to ICE, yes.
 
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Neither would I, but then I wasn’t. That said I now have the air suspension equipped ones and it’s significant improvement to the coil version.
My CRZ was a decent drive too, thrashing through the gears not really going anywhere is fun. Certainly can’t do that in my F TypeR I have now
 
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You weren’t bud Adam Cool Dude was. They specifically mentioned the term involving. But the same applies to any automatic car. I suspect they were using a phrase that can be easily used as a way to auto “win” against any EV.

I also tested an air suspension I-Pace with the active dynamics, it was an improvement over the coil version but not so much I would call it significant.
 
Had one as a loaner for one day and gave it a good test. It made it better but no matter how much you try to convince yourself an I-Pace is “special”, it always feels like a 2.2 ton car regardless of air suspension and active dynamics or not.

Like I said my wife’s old BMW 1 Series 118i M Sport put the I-Pace to shame for agility and sporty handling. Saying the I-Pace is great for an EV is a very low bar indeed.

In fact back in March I test drove a 118i automatic M Sport and just trying it on a country B Road made me realise that after 3 years of owning big FAT EVs, just how agile a smallish and light car can be fun and engaging in ways an EV can’t touch.
 
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My wife’s mini is fun too, my point is Tesla is not the default driving experience. Even a Born is engaging. Glad I don’t need to use a 118i for my sharts and giggles though… !
 
Jonnycoupe said:
My wife’s mini is fun too, my point is Tesla is not the default driving experience. Even a Born is engaging. Glad I don’t need to use a 118i for my sharts and giggles though… !
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I also don’t own or think a 118i is a sharts and giggles car. I used it to emphasise the point that while the Model 3 Performance is hardly a poster child for engaging EVs, neither is the I-Pace (air suspension included).
 
ICDP said:
As an I-Pace owner I would never claim an EV can be as “involving” as a manual gearbox sporty ICE. So in that sense any EV is indeed a one trick pony. My wife’s old 118i RWD M Sport was far more agile, involving and better handling than the I-Pace. Straight line performance was crap in comparison of course.

Would I prefer one over the I-Pace, no. Would I happily go back to ICE, yes.
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Know what you mean. i4 not a bad car but missing the buzz you get from a 6 cyl BM engine. Luckily got a Cooper S to jump into when I get bored ....
 
Let me be clear, I think the I-Pace is a great car, one of the best overall I have ever owned. So I’m not unhappy with it, it drives great, is smooth and refined and feels premium.

I look forward to driving it even after 16 months of ownership.
 
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solid state batteries can redress the bev weight imbalance and, maybe, the Chinese land grab

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Jonnycoupe said:
Very American centric content there bot.
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Does it affect the typical 7kW home chargers here? It specifically mentions level 2 and seems to affect the North American market due to their electricity setup.

There does seem to be an issue with Ioniq 5/6 and Kia EV6 ICCU failures and the lack of customer support in this and other issues. With people waiting a long time for repairs.

Maybe my three month wait time for repairs at JLR are not that uncommon with other brands.
 
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adam cool dude said:
There is more to driving a car enthusiastically than in a straight line. EV's are a one trick pony in that regard. Aural pleasure and physical enjoyment as in being able to flow through corners nicely and having input into the enjoyment is more important to myself at least.

Driving an EV is akin to going through a McDonald's drive through and having processed food. It is very quick and does the job but leaves you empty at the end. Driving an ICE car is akin to making a lasagne from scratch and enjoying the fruits of your labour with a glass of red. There is no comparison.
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My model 3 weighs only a little more than a modern BMW M3. Top gear has a video of it performing better around a track than a BMW M3 too.

I would agree it is less involving as no gears etc. Steering is very on point though, but lacks the feeling a much lighter car would have.
 
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