EV general discussion

[Adam_151]

Does it affect the typical 7kW home chargers here? It specifically mentions level 2 and seems to affect the North American market due to their electricity setup.

I would say likely not, skim reading it seems to suggest an issue with poor contact with the plug, which has been "fixed" in software by limiting the current.

Most US vehicles use the type one connector, whereas here and eurpose the type 2 is generally what we use (apart from some older leafs, mitsi PHEVs, etc) so I would say its unlikely to affect UK Vehicles as well

A simiular thing could have course occur here, if a car maker ended up with a batch of poorly designed type 2 sockets, so maybe only a matter of time


Whats also confusing is that the article/the US uses mode 2 to refer to the wallbox type chargers, we refer to them as mode 3 (Mode 2 is a granny charger, and Mode 1 is a straight 13A lead, which is not something that gets used anymore)

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Indeed Type 1 connection. Mode 1 in the states is 110v rather than a garage “drier socket” offering higher voltage

 

[Tinders]

The fun to drive argument is pointless. For me the EV is for the day to day driving, the commute, school runs etc. the ICE is for the weekend fun driving. Hopefully the abundance of EV’s will allow nice petrols to be preserved.

 

[ICDP]

The fun to drive argument is pointless. For me the EV is for the day to day driving, the commute, school runs etc. the ICE is for the weekend fun driving. Hopefully the abundance of EV’s will allow nice petrols to be preserved.

The vast majority can’t or just won’t do the weekend car thing and buy one car for all their needs. They also don’t give a crap about “driver engagement”. The reason EVs aren’t more mainstream is price, practical range and home charging.

Too many EVangelists do the “oh you only need 100 miles of range really”. Or the “yes it’s more expensive but it might break even if you run it for 7 years”. If I try that with some of the people who buy used ICE for max £7k and they will laugh in your face.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I saw a post on the tesla owners club today with a couple model 3 performance driving at the Watergate Bay sprint.

They seem to be enjoying themselves. I’ll copy and paste the text below, autocrat we’re there in an i4 M50 and there seemed to be a lot of interest in the BEVs.

Spoiler

Watergate Bay Sprint 2023. Day 1 complete.

The rain held off.
David Richards showed up to see and speak more about EVs in grassroots motorsport.
Steve Cropley of Autocar competed in an i4 M50 lent to him by BMW.
Lots of media interest.
Us 2 Teslas came 6th and 8th in a field of heavily modified road cars full of SR8s, Westfields, Imprezas etc.
We both got the fastest 2 launch times of the day. On standard road tyres.
Comments were made about how we just “turned up, put stickers on, beat a LOT of things, then will be driving to work in these on Monday” which could not be said for the rest of the top half field for sure.

Doing it again today, looks like it might be a bit wet!!!

There are pictures and videos on the post if you have access.

 

[ICDP]

I saw a post on the tesla owners club today with a couple model 3 performance driving at the Watergate Bay sprint.

They seem to be enjoying themselves. I’ll copy and paste the text below, autocrat we’re there in an i4 M50 and there seemed to be a lot of interest in the BEVs.

Spoiler

Watergate Bay Sprint 2023. Day 1 complete.

The rain held off.
David Richards showed up to see and speak more about EVs in grassroots motorsport.
Steve Cropley of Autocar competed in an i4 M50 lent to him by BMW.
Lots of media interest.
Us 2 Teslas came 6th and 8th in a field of heavily modified road cars full of SR8s, Westfields, Imprezas etc.
We both got the fastest 2 launch times of the day. On standard road tyres.
Comments were made about how we just “turned up, put stickers on, beat a LOT of things, then will be driving to work in these on Monday” which could not be said for the rest of the top half field for sure.

Doing it again today, looks like it might be a bit wet!!!

There are pictures and videos on the post if you have access.

The anti EV, lack of involvement and or engagement is a red herring frankly. Like I said most people don’t give a crap and catering to the very small number of people who cry “they’ll need to pry my ICE car keys from my cold dead body” is a pointless endeavour. No matter what you show them some EVs can do, they will never be a beliEVer.

Get the range of mainstream EVs to 200 winter and 250 summer. Getting there almost with the MG4 to be fair.

Get prices more competitive with ICE for new and used. Once again we are getting there but not quite. Don’t point me to a 8-10 year old Leaf with 80-90 miles of real range and tell me it’s a viable family car.

Get the home charging infrastructure sorted, especially for those with no driveway’s. This is the area where there has been almost zero improvement. This is on the government and local councils to sort but they simply don’t seem to care. In fact this government is actually going anti green in their pathetic culture wars agenda.

 

[m4rmite]

Weekend fun driving
I read that as the idiots speeding, dangerous overtaking & backfiring map installed.

Also the EV's are boring, manual is king debate, go look at car wow videos. Most high powered cars are automatic - at best flappy paddle but never used.

I'll go lie down.

 

[ICDP]

Weekend fun driving
I read that as the idiots speeding, dangerous overtaking & backfiring map installed.

Also the EV's are boring, manual is king debate, go look at car wow videos. Most high powered cars are automatic - at best flappy paddle but never used.

I'll go lie down.

Absolutely. As I said it is usually the petrol heads who make these claims. I won’t even dispute them because manual ICE cars are more engaging but that was the argument against going with automatic as well. Maybe we can put pretend gear shifters in the centre console and they can do vroom vroom noises as they drive their silent EV.

 

[Tinders]

The EV vs ICE is fast turning in a fan boy fest. It will become nvidia vs AMD. It’s ok to like both, I will own a EV for my next car and I’ll have no issue with that, but I will still prefer a nice petrol manual and there’s nothing wrong with that either.

 

[Simon]

Its nice to have both indeed

 

[ICDP]

The EV vs ICE is fast turning in a fan boy fest. It will become nvidia vs AMD. It’s ok to like both, I will own a EV for my next car and I’ll have no issue with that, but I will still prefer a nice petrol manual and there’s nothing wrong with that either.

Its nice to have both indeed

Nobody said you couldn’t own both and the EV vs ICE debate is nowhere near fanboy levels yet in this thread. This is about getting non EV people into EVs and the majority don’t care about handling and driver engagement and they certainly aren’t going to even remotely think of having a “weekend” car. Lol I mean how far are some people from reality that this would even be a thing.

Oh Farquhar I see you got one of those boring milk float EV things but you simply must get a sporty petrol car for the weekend drives to the beach hoise

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Most people consider absolute zero feeling thought the steering wheel and feather weight controls to a positive thing.

 

[ICDP]

Most people consider absolute zero feeling thought the steering wheel and feather weight controls to a positive thing.

Yep. We have an I-Pace that has tight steering with quite a bit of feedback and the suspension is tuned more towards the sporty feel. It is clearly tuned towards a driver experience. In comparison my wife’s C40 Single Motor is more comfortable to drive. Feather light steering feel, almost zero steering feedback, softer suspension and better turning circle. It’s an all round more relaxing car to drive and there are many times I will pick it over the I-Pace purely based on the more relaxed experience.

 

[Haggisman]

Impressed with the Niro (and recent improvements to public charging infrastructure) once again.

~300 mile round trip to Kent, 3.9mi/kwh average cruising at 70, managed to fit a big greyhound in the boot with plenty of space (although granted not much room for anything else!), and a 20 minute stop at a Gridserve site (Thurrock) for toilet etc. break was enough to top up ~100 miles - more than enough to get home again

 

[sandys]

be we can put pretend gear shifters in the centre console and they can do vroom vroom noises as they drive their silent EV.

Personally I can't wait 'till someone nails this Toyota/Hyundai get it and are trying, really interested to see what the ioniq 5 N achieves, I have tested most EVs and they are dull, great for wafting not great for driving experience unless you are they type to cream your pants at fast straight line speed.

The fun to drive argument is pointless. For me the EV is for the day to day driving, the commute, school runs etc. the ICE is for the weekend fun driving. Hopefully the abundance of EV’s will allow nice petrols to be preserved.

Why can't you enjoy day to day driving too? I do have a weekend car but it is mostly pointless as I am always in my day to day car, I have to make a special effort to use it, which I do for track and competition but I still want some feels from the everyday car even if it is an EV as I am in it for so many hours in the week.

 

[413x]

Since losing the s2000 in a write off, and probably knowing I'll never have another car like that, I genuinely do not care about the "fun" factor.
There is certainly something about manuals that is lost now.

Now I just want a car to do it's job. Get me from A to B and cost as little as possible doing it.

I suppose that is what goes for most average people.

When you get into the better off (ie 2 cars for different situations) it's different. But the vast vast majority want a car that gets them from A to B. Then a big chunk want one that looks the part.

Probably going to be a dwindling amount of petrol heads as we literally die off.



I'd totally have an EV when it becomes a cheap as an old ICE. We are not there yet. old EVs are naff. Old ICE cars are decent enough.
But cars hold thier value better now, so EV is actually further away this year than 2 years ago.

 

[ICDP]

@sandys, You are the epitome of a very niche minority and that was a thing before EVs were a thing. Mainstream motorists simply want a car to do A to B stuff and are put off EVs purely on their lack of range and their cost. Not because of their perceived lack of driving dynamics.

 

[sandys]

Yup, I'm a dinosaur in some respects, I know, I like many things about EVs, all the tech etc, love it, it pays my bills after all

But they can be better, it'll get there I'm sure, just not many are trying to make them interesting that is all, same in the ICE space to be fair.

 

[bigmike20vt]

I thought i was done with ICE cars once we sell our remaining diesel (indeed in reality i am) however a random youtube video popped up in my feed from some streamer i have never seen before - and likely never will again! - but he bought on a crazy whim an old audi TT from a car auction ..... its condition is superb.

it cost him £450 i think it was, and am pretty sure he said after fees and fixing some niggles the whole thing cost £850.

ok it was only the 1.8l FWD version but still, its a tidy example of a car which most would consider a fun car (i love the gear box in them - albeit the one i drove back in the day was my mates quattro with a 3.2l engine.

but for that price it does remind me how much bang for your buck the savvy shopper can get with an ICE car...... even as an EV fanboy, you are not getting even remotely close to that level of car in an EV form any time soon for that kind of coin

 

[413x]

I thought i was done with ICE cars once we sell our remaining diesel (indeed in reality i am) however a random youtube video popped up in my feed from some streamer i have never seen before - and likely never will again! - but he bought on a crazy whim an old audi TT from a car auction ..... its condition is superb.

it cost him £450 i think it was, and am pretty sure he said after fees and fixing some niggles the whole thing cost £850.

ok it was only the 1.8l FWD version but still, its a tidy example of a car which most would consider a fun car (i love the gear box in them - albeit the one i drove back in the day was my mates quattro with a 3.2l engine.

but for that price it does remind me how much bang for your buck the savvy shopper can get with an ICE car...... even as an EV fanboy, you are not getting even remotely close to that level of car in an EV form any time soon for that kind of coin

Doesn't even have to have a big engine to be fun.
S2000 was a 2l. But it was fun. Throw it about. Could feel the road through the wheel (one of my favourite bits). Fab gear box, really close box but never missed a gear). Oversteery and no driver aids (except abs). It would put you in the ditch if you weren't careful

It was one stage less raw than an mx5. So reliable. Great car for a late 20s fun. Looked lush too.

Used to rag the guts out that thing. And it never had a issue in 8 years I had it(about that long).

Think it cost me 8k at 40k miles. And got 8k at 100k miles from insurance. Such was the appreciation