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Because they don't want to be undercut by knuckle draggers like Toyota who have frankly resisted producing anything other than compliance EV's for as long as they possibly can.

It would have also probably have been cheaper for them to transition in Europe over a longer period of time and potentially could have build their own platform instead of paying a direct competitor for their (not keeping up with the competition) MEB platform.
 
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Puzzled said:
You'd think they'd be happy that we'll be switching at the same time as the EU. Clearly they aren't but not sure why.
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Because it's not true. The 2035 switch is at EU level but, as normal in the EU, the actual decision is country level. 2035 is the agreed last date but most countries are going earlier.
 
Thought id mess about with Capcut on a video from my trip in August. Ill try to get a post of sorts up to share the experience.

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https://www.tiktok.com/video/7281020028680441120
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
If anything it’s the U.K. that’s lacking in slower AC ‘destination charging’. If you can charge while the car is parked, you rarely visit rapid chargers en-route.
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Destination charging is such a game changer. I rented a Polestar 2 and covered 1200 miles when I was visiting the UK back in June but didn't use a rapid charger once - my mum and in-laws have an EV charger at home which helped and both hotels I stayed in also had charging so it was really easy.

Back home in the US I only book hotels with charging where possible and there's usually plenty of choice, waking up to a full battery is brilliant.

I had to go to Virginia on Monday, left home with 90% charge, I needed to stop about 3 hours in but the car didn't - I arrived with 20% left. Hotel had a charger, plugged in and it was full in the morning ready for my return trip.

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Freefaller said:
as you say there's so many conflated points/arguments out there it's sometimes hard to understand what to take at more than face value.

Personally I'm not ready for the transition without having an ICE car, but as a second car to explore/try I certainly wouldn't mind. However they're far too expensive for me at the moment compared to my current cars. I'd also have to get a wall charger installed which again isn't cheap! The amount of miles we do a year is so small that the investment for us isn't worth it at the moment.
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The newer evs I'd have whet they get to decent second hand prices. But that's a decade away.
 
I’m sure my fellow Tesla owners will not be happy about this but the new V4 tesla chargers at Moto reading west bound (M4) are open to all. Cheaper than gridserve opposite by a good margin before the tesla subscription and take contactless payment.

They are 400V so if you have an 800V car you are probably better using gridserve still. Reading services isn’t exactly the nicest place to hang around for longer than needed...
 
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V4 are 1000V aren't they?
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Not that they are installing now.

The tombstone with the plug is rated to 1000V but they are still using the same cabinets as the V3 chargers which are 400V. Tesla call the new stall design ‘future proof’. It’s speculation that they could swap out/upgrade existing power cabinets to 800v in the future if needed.

I call them V3+ because it’s a redesign of the stall and the power cabinets are the same as the current V3 which is where the fun stuff actually happens.

I’m pretty sure the tesla community/press coined the V1/2/3/4 naming rather than Tesla and they just adopted it.

There is also the ‘urban’ supercharger which is effectively just a V2 but doesn’t combine/share power so each stall only gets 75kw, we don’t have any of those here. No one talks about those anymore.
 
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Puzzled said:
You'd think they'd be happy that we'll be switching at the same time as the EU. Clearly they aren't but not sure why.
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domestic manufacturers are happy about the delay - ice jobs & production for uk market protected
jlr It said: 'The announcement by the Government on the revised end date for the sale of petrol and diesel cars in the UK is pragmatic and brings the UK in line with other nations, which we welcome.'
Ford / stellantis / foreigners see reduced market in the UK for imported ev's in that 2030/5 period.

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OllyM said:
I had to go to Virginia on Monday, left home with 90% charge, I needed to stop about 3 hours in but the car didn't - I arrived with 20% left. Hotel had a charger, plugged in and it was full in the morning ready for my return trip.
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is destination ev charging in the USA competitively priced by hotels etc, compared to on the go.
 
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The 2030 stop and transition to hybrid 2035 was never clear anyway so I personally dont't see it as back tracking, its more a case of providing clarity.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
The 2030 stop and transition to hybrid 2035 was never clear anyway so I personally dont't see it as back tracking, its more a case of providing clarity.
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I thought it was reasonably clear (excepting the lack of definition on what a 'significant distance' would actually be in the description below).

Following consultation with stakeholders, industry and the wider public, a 2-phased approach to the process was announced today (Wednesday 18 November 2020).

Step 1 will see the phase-out date for the sale of new petrol and diesel cars and vans brought forward to 2030.

Step 2 will see all new cars and vans be fully zero emission at the tailpipe from 2035.

Between 2030 and 2035, new cars and vans can be sold if they have the capability to drive a significant distance with zero emissions (for example, plug-in hybrids or full hybrids), and this will be defined through consultation.
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Assuming 2035 is still a hard stop on zero tailpipe emission sales, all that's really changed is that we're not going to enforce a transition period of hybrid vehicles being the last gasp of the ICE.

It will be interesting to see how many manufacturers are still selling completely non-hybrid cars by 2030 anyway, I suspect it'll be a pretty niche market of enthusiast cars.
 
You've literally provide my point there. How would anyone plan product cycles and battery sourcing not knowing how many kWh of battery you need for hybrids, for example a significant distance to me automatically means only plug-in hybrids, not 'full-hybrids'.
 
Kenai said:
Assuming 2035 is still a hard stop on zero tailpipe emission sales, all that's really changed is that we're not going to enforce a transition period of hybrid vehicles being the last gasp of the ICE.
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This is the point I was trying to make (badly) earlier in the thread. Hybrids are not a great solution imho, thus skipping that part makes very little difference as it's still all zero emission by 2035
 
Kenai said:
It will be interesting to see how many manufacturers are still selling completely non-hybrid cars by 2030 anyway, I suspect it'll be a pretty niche market of enthusiast cars.
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Or a collection of cars from established manufacturers that otherwise wouldn't have landed on our shores. Vehicles developed for the markets such as the middle east for example. I guess a big spanner in the works to this is us driving on the left.

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This is the point I was trying to make (badly) earlier in the thread. Hybrids are not a great solution imho, thus skipping that part makes very little difference as it's still all zero emission by 2035
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I'm of the opposite opinion but then my driving pattern is probably totally different to yours. A plug in hybrid, for me, makes way more sense than any other solution. My daily commute to the office could be covered on electric alone. My personal miles, probably 80% electric. That leaves my work trips which I could do without having to worry about how I can charge the car at a Hotel overnight in some distant part of the UK or while parked up all day in a college car park. Unfortunately my employer is happy for me to carry on hacking around in an ICE so I get the BIK hit and pay back private miles at a flat 13ppm (which actually works in my favour).
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
You've literally provide my point there. How would anyone plan product cycles and battery sourcing not knowing how many kWh of battery you need for hybrids, for example a significant distance to me automatically means only plug-in hybrids, not 'full-hybrids'.
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This was in process of being defined (in consultation with manufacturers amongst others) and was originally I think due for confirmation by the end of this year.

The cynical part of me suspects the idea of dropping the hybrid transition period is because they were simply taking too long to agree a definition and knew they wouldn't be hitting the dates they'd outlined previously for confirming anything - the fact it'll be a popular move with with the EV-phobic public is a bonus.
 
jpaul said:
is destination ev charging in the USA competitively priced by hotels etc, compared to on the go.
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Sometimes it's free, sometimes you pay. The hotel in Virginia was actually quite expensive, $0.35/kWh. $2/hour idle fee when charging completed.

I'd rather pay to be honest, with free hotel chargers you often get PHEVs hogging the chargers all night but the high per kWh price and idle fee (because they inevitably stop charging at 1 or 2am when their tiny battery is full) means it's not worth their while plugging in.
 
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From BBC:

"From January, just over a fifth of vehicles sold must be electric, with the target expected to hit 80% by 2030.

If they fail to hit the target, manufacturers will face heavy fines of up to £15,000 a car."

Doesn't sound like new ICE cars will remain affordable.

www.bbc.co.uk

Firms still forced to sell more electric cars despite petrol ban delay

Car makers will still have to ensure over a fifth of cars sold are electric from 2024.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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