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I've never looked much into V2H but I assume it requires quite a bit of manual intervention as you'd have to limit how much power could be drawn overnight depending on your planned use the next day.

I guess the main use is the car is charged by solar in the day (if it's on the drive) and then to use some of the battery overnight rather than from the mains? Or is it you charge overnight on off peak electricity and then use some of the capacity in the day if you don't have solar.

I struggle to see a seamless way of using it.
 
Minstadave said:
I've never looked much into V2H but I assume it requires quite a bit of manual intervention as you'd have to limit how much power could be drawn overnight depending on your planned use the next day.

I guess the main use is the car is charged by solar in the day (if it's on the drive) and then to use some of the battery overnight rather than from the mains? Or is it you charge overnight on off peak electricity and then use some of the capacity in the day if you don't have solar.

I struggle to see a seamless way of using it.
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I believe it's all controlled via the Indra (who are running the trial's) app.

My plan is to charge overnight when it's cheap then use the battery to power the house during the day (right now it's just sat on the drive holding a full charge).

I'm not sure how it works when you want to use the car, for instance.
 
This is just a bit of dog whistling to the Tory faithful. The UK is relative small fry in the grander scale of the EV transition I can’t imagine us pushing that date back 5 years makes any difference to most car manufacturers plans.

Baring in mind this was only full petrol or diesels anyway how many hybrids or plug ins are most manufacturers doing across the range already? By the time we actually get to 2030 full petrols and diesels will be a tiny amount of new cars sold.
 
Uther said:
I dare say I'll get an EV sooner than 2030, but if they push the ban to 2035 I'll be 70 and probably won't care much.
Can only imagine how much better EV's will be by then.
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The current target at present is already 2035 to be fully EV for all new cars. 2030 is just when ICE cars won't be able to be sold new. Hybrids still on sale till 2035.
 
Psycho Ned said:
This is just a bit of dog whistling to the Tory faithful. The UK is relative small fry in the grander scale of the EV transition I can’t imagine us pushing that date back 5 years makes any difference to most car manufacturers plans.

Baring in mind this was only full petrol or diesels anyway how many hybrids or plug ins are most manufacturers doing across the range already? By the time we actually get to 2030 full petrols and diesels will be a tiny amount of new cars sold.
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It does however impact on potential investment in the UK. Would you if they keep changing the goal posts?
 
Freefaller said:
I guess you just have to change car. How long does an EV last at 100% battery capacity?
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Difficult one to answer really as that depends completely on how it's driven and charged. Most manufacturers warranty around 70% up to 8 years/100k which should give some idea. The degradation curve isn't straight - they tend to degrade quicker to start and then slow down.

Also there's a difference between battery size and useable capacity, and I've read of some manufacturers "overspeccing" their battery, so the useable capacity stays at 100% for longer

Freefaller said:
Are batteries easily recycled and repurposed now?
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Depends what you class as "easily", but I saw an article the other day about a company selling used Leaf modules as portable power banks (might have been in the US only so far, I'll try to find it)
 
I guess as this is still so "new" there's a lot of catching up to do and systems/processes to be put into place to start planning for obsolescence of older EVs. Car recycling/breaking for parts is still a busy industry I guess they need to make allowances for the EV world now too.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
There are literally people starving because of failed crops. Giving up millions of hectares of land to grow bio fuel is not a great idea really. I go get not all synthetic fuel is biofuel but that’s by fast the easiest and cheapest version.

It also doesn’t deal with the issue of local emissions.

Lie.

We are not all going electric in 2030. It’s only new car sales and the 2030 ban is also a lie, you can still buy a PHEV (which is just an ICE car if you don’t charge it) until 2035. Ice cars will still be around in 2050 as those sold in 2035 come to end of life.

The roll out of charge points is keeping pace with car sales, that’s all that matters. There are localised issues with shortages but for the most part it’s fine.

I’ve never ever waited at a rapid charger or never not been able to charge, that is the experience of the vast majority of owners.


How far do you drive without a break?

250+ miles is over 3 hours, usually 4 hours driving in the U.K. I’ll need a toilet break before the car runs out of charge and mine only has a ~220 mile real world range.

It takes 10 mins to add another 100 miles, by this point you’ve traveled from the south coast to Scotland.


Yes, facilities exist but they suffer from a lack of batteries to actually recycle from cars.

They mostly just process batteries from consumer electronics at the moment because there isn’t any volume of batteries from cars getting to end of life and won’t be for some time.
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Thanks again for taking the time to reply - really interesting :)

What I meant by synthetic fuel is not biofuel (i think it's called synthetic e-fuel) - i.e. completely man-made fuels that are just like fuels made from oil, but made in a renewable environment i.e. solar powered / low to 0 carbon power sources - in a lab. I've seen a fair few trials of it - but at the moment it's rare and expensive, and can't cope with the supply / demand.

Emissions from a modern petrol engine is no longer an issue - diesel I'd agree with. From my limited research electric vehicles aren't free from emissions either, as you still need to mine and ship the materials, and you can't guarantee you're charging your car from a renewable source? Some people are getting excited about the extra tire particles that are being created by EVs - not sure how true that is.

Have they come up with a strategy for people that live in flats or in town where they park on the street? I'm guessing next to lamp posts they could just get some charging points. It'll litter the pavement somewhat though I guess and make it tighter for pedestrians and disabled people. How do you stop someone unplugging your car and using it for theirs - does it lock in place?

I don't do super long journeys by car. Last one I did however was driving from the Kent/Sussex border to just outside Paris. We stopped on the train of course. And then did about 3hrs or so without stopping. Anything under 3hrs unless there's a call of nature doesn't feel like a lot of effort. However the train is far better for anything long distance. I'd rather take the train and rent a car/grab a taxi, than drive all the way. Driving in the UK isn't fun. Driving in Europe however is far more enjoyable!

Just to be clear, I'm not anti EVs at all. I mean I'm very pro sustainability, hence my home solar/battery system, and the fact I choose to take the train 70% of the time for long distance trips - even if mildly inconvenient at times (as you said earlier, we have to get used to some inconvenience), and I'm mindful with the products that I buy (food, stuff online etc...). I'm just not jumping on the bandwagon yet as I'm just seeing how things go for now. :)
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
That function of the leaf is epic and a massive miss for other EVs.

Given the price of older leaf’s these days, we are probably not far off it being a cost effective to buy one and just use it as home battery solution.
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That's really interesting idea!
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
That function of the leaf is epic and a massive miss for other EVs.

Given the price of older leaf’s these days, we are probably not far off it being a cost effective to buy one and just use it as home battery solution.
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It's a function of CHAdeMO so there are a few other models that can do it too. Unfortunately the technology doesn't seem that popular.

I'm ultimately thinking that when the car starts falling apart, I'll have the battery turned into a 24kWh house battery and then charge it with solar.
 
Psycho Ned said:
This is just a bit of dog whistling to the Tory faithful. The UK is relative small fry in the grander scale of the EV transition I can’t imagine us pushing that date back 5 years makes any difference to most car manufacturers plans.

Baring in mind this was only full petrol or diesels anyway how many hybrids or plug ins are most manufacturers doing across the range already? By the time we actually get to 2030 full petrols and diesels will be a tiny amount of new cars sold.
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Plenty of other countries are also pushing for delays to this, not just the UK
 
This has probably been answered somewhere in this thread, but what's involved in a Car Service for electric cars? More specifically a Nissan Leaf 62 kWh

Just booked the car in with Nissan and its due a "major" service at £229, which is what I'd typically expect for an ICE Car for fluids/filter/sparkplugs.

Not having a pop at Nissan, price seems reasonable enough, just interested in what's involved since there's less moving parts and things that need changing.
 
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Uncle_Gravy said:
This has probably been answered somewhere in this thread, but what's involved in a Car Service for electric cars? More specifically a Nissan Leaf 62 kWh

Just booked the car in with Nissan and its due a "major" service at £229, which is what I'd typically expect for an ICE Car for fluids/filter/sparkplugs.

Not having a pop at Nissan, price seems reasonable enough, just interested in what's involved since there's less moving parts and things that need changing.
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Uncle_Gravy said:
This has probably been answered somewhere in this thread, but what's involved in a Car Service for electric cars? More specifically a Nissan Leaf 62 kWh

Just booked the car in with Nissan and its due a "major" service at £229, which is what I'd typically expect for an ICE Car for fluids/filter/sparkplugs.

Not having a pop at Nissan, price seems reasonable enough, just interested in what's involved since there's less moving parts and things that need changing.
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Those door hinges aren't going to grease themselves!

Fr0dders said:
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So replace the brake fluid and AC filter and inspect a few bits and pieces? :p

That does seem excessive, IIRC my Zoe was about £90 for an A service and about £120 for a B
 
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Haggisman said:
and I've read of some manufacturers "overspeccing" their battery, so the useable capacity stays at 100% for longer
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i think all do to a point and its a good thing.

for instance my ipace has a 90kwh battery of which 84.7kwh is usable.

this is because charging a battery to absolute full and letting it sit there is not great for the health of the battery, neither is running it completely dry.

so the battery reserves a small amount at either end so in reality the battery is never 100% full or 0% empty, and also means the user does not have to worry about stopping a charge before full so much or have kittens that they are spoiling their battery if they cut it a bit fine getting home on single digit percentages.

(tho its still considered good form to aim for 80% / 20% in normal operation and only charge to 100% before a proper road trip.
 
adam cool dude said:
Toyota, Vag the two biggest companies are still very much commited to ICE as is pretty much all the commercial industry. It is only the smaller companies and the Chinese that are commited to EV's and when the west cotton on to the fact the Chinese will take over their motor industry they will all quickly backtrack.
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Ahh you mean the 2 biggest car companies with the biggest debt.
Great strategy.
 
Uncle_Gravy said:
This has probably been answered somewhere in this thread, but what's involved in a Car Service for electric cars? More specifically a Nissan Leaf 62 kWh

Just booked the car in with Nissan and its due a "major" service at £229, which is what I'd typically expect for an ICE Car for fluids/filter/sparkplugs.

Not having a pop at Nissan, price seems reasonable enough, just interested in what's involved since there's less moving parts and things that need changing.
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I realised you asked with respect to the Leaf, but for anyone else wondering, it should be very little.

For example with Tesla you do not have to get it services at all and you still get full waranty.

This is their suggested shedule, with my notes:
  • Brake fluid health check every 2 years (replace if necessary). Easy to check at home.
  • A/C desiccant bag replacement every 4* years.
  • Cabin air filter replacement every 2 years. Easy to do at home, they sell the filters cheap.
  • Clean and lubricate brake calipers every year or 12,500 miles (20,000 km) if in an area where roads are salted during winter
  • Rotate tires every 6,250 miles (10,000 km) or if tread depth difference is 2/32 in (1.5 mm) or greater, whichever comes first. Most people don't bother
*A/C desiccant bag replacement can be extended to 6 years on vehicles manufactured between approximately 2017-2021.
 
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