No, first time I saw the buttons I was like, why?
It's almost like Tesla either want to be different for the sake of it or are simply trying to fix things that are not broken.
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No, first time I saw the buttons I was like, why?
It's almost like Tesla either want to be different for the sake of it or are simply trying to fix things that are not broken.
Because Elon Musk is a moron who's fired anyone who had the balls to stand up and tell him he's a moron?
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that is a really nice combo of cars..... i would like that too ideally unfortunately i dont think we will be able to justify a born as a 2nd car along with the ipace.
so i am crossing everything that either the Renault 5 or the ID2 (i dont think the boss will let us get an ID GTI but i can dream
) are as good as i am hoping.Because Elon Musk is a moron who's fired anyone who had the balls to stand up and tell him he's a moron?
That seems to be how you become super rich, or president/prime minister.
People like Musk aren't geniuses, they just hired the right people and made the right moves early on. When most people think back and say they should have done X years ago but didn't take the risk, well..they did and are the 0.001% it worked for
Einstein and Tesla were geniuses. They died relatively poor while others got rich off their work.
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Exactly. Completely ruled by style over substance and there are enough people out there who believe that embracing new things regardless of their functionality somehow makes them modern and cool. Strange times!
There seems to be a lot of 20-30k iPaces on the market at the moment. Lots of 3 year leases coming to an end? Only a few months ago, these were all looking in the 30-40k region.
Some look like quite a bargain. Is there anything to look out for on a 2020 iPace?
Some look like quite a bargain. Is there anything to look out for on a 2020 iPace?
m 3 Stalks One of the comments I read suggested that tesla hadn't tested the indicator buttons in countries with roundabouts, where you need to use/find an indicator when the wheel isn't square,
surely some EU safety organisation will pull him up on this, does china have roundabouts.
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This from alok assswamy tesla robot guy
These robots do use additional sensing such as audio, proprioception, temperature etc., just like most animals. But no LIDAR, RADAR, ultrasonics, HD maps shenanigans. It will become so obvious over the coming years, we’ll be wondering why anyone thought those were a great idea
.... because there are increased road accidents when human visibility is poor .. nature gave bats sonar, too ?
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surely some EU safety organisation will pull him up on this, does china have roundabouts.
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This from alok assswamy tesla robot guy
These robots do use additional sensing such as audio, proprioception, temperature etc., just like most animals. But no LIDAR, RADAR, ultrasonics, HD maps shenanigans. It will become so obvious over the coming years, we’ll be wondering why anyone thought those were a great idea
.... because there are increased road accidents when human visibility is poor .. nature gave bats sonar, too ?
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Tesla are really going the wrong way !
I was looking at these last Friday, seems about £28k buys a nice 2019/2020 HSE.
Not sure on the infotainment and the white roof lining though.
- Removing the stalks and replacing with buttons on the steering wheel. Even that is done wrong - buttons aligned vertically, rather than left and right.
- Removing the parking sensors for a camera system which doesn't work for parking.
- Auto Wipers which still don't function properly, ~12 months on.
I was looking at these last Friday, seems about £28k buys a nice 2019/2020 HSE.
Not sure on the infotainment and the white roof lining though.
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We looked at a 2023 iPace while searching for a Lease. The salesman did say they'd improved the infotainment - and it was still pretty clunky - so I'm not sure what a 2020 version might be like.
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Pre facelift with the twin 12v batteries is a bit of a weak spot. Later infotainment (Pivi Pro rather than Incontrol TouchPro) is much much better and has some marginal updates like lower rolling resistance all season tyres, lower resistance bearings, slight charging curve improvement and far more SOTA, now has Apple Maps or Android google maps in the cluster with wireless CarPlay for example.
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removing stalks, agree that's stupid
parking sensors is overegged. yes it's stupid and cost them so little per car so why bother, but IMO parking sensors are generally useless anyway if you have cameras. I've never driven a car where parking sensors have enough precision to get you in and out of tight spots (going in and out of my garage in my g30 the side parking sensors are fully red / solid beep every time). I'd take a front camera over parking sensors any day (which tbf tesla still doesn't have but they basically don't have a bonnet) and the quality of the rear and side cameras is way better than I've seen on other cars
re auto wipers, disagree - they were awful, but they're just as good as on bmw/vw etc and have been for months since an update. Plus, the update that allows you to control the wipers using the scroll wheel is a huge design improvement.
Tesla aren't beyond reproach at all, but as someone who drives one very often (I've driven ~5.5k miles this year in my wife's model Y performance), the internet loves to hate them when they're actually excellent and the charging network benefit far far outweighs any of the downsides of the car.
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It hasn’t got cameras you can see though has it? Just brain power to the car awareness or play back for sentry.
When you're in reverse it has two side cameras and a rear camera, and they're remarkably good quality. Front camera is an omission.
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There should be certain things which are mandatory. Which are stalks and physical buttons for things like AC and the radio.
Messing with the formula for no reason just adds distractions.
Some designers think they are making "progress", but some things are the way they are because someone much smarter than them it that way.
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MK1 eyeball for front parking.
To be fair, I actually don’t find the front sensors that useful. They are often screaming at you to stop when you are doing precision manoeuvring which is more annoying than anything else.
Yes, before you ask, I parallel park regularly and no my alloys haven’t been curbed although I do recognise that is seemingly a problem with people who own Tesla’s
You say they have gone to a lot of effort to remove sensors but even at £100 a car, that’s £100 million for every million cars produced. A software solution is going to be cheaper, the debate they have lost so far is that it’s not got functional parity.
To be fair, I actually don’t find the front sensors that useful. They are often screaming at you to stop when you are doing precision manoeuvring which is more annoying than anything else.
Yes, before you ask, I parallel park regularly and no my alloys haven’t been curbed although I do recognise that is seemingly a problem with people who own Tesla’s
You say they have gone to a lot of effort to remove sensors but even at £100 a car, that’s £100 million for every million cars produced. A software solution is going to be cheaper, the debate they have lost so far is that it’s not got functional parity.
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The 360 cameras in the Leaf are fantastic, much more useful than parking sensors.
But, if you've not got a camera in the front bumper then it's impossible to replicate.
You can have all the fancy software in the world, if the camera can't see it, and there's no additional sensors, it's not going to work.
I pity the poor Dev team working on that problem.
But, if you've not got a camera in the front bumper then it's impossible to replicate.
You can have all the fancy software in the world, if the camera can't see it, and there's no additional sensors, it's not going to work.
I pity the poor Dev team working on that problem.
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Personally having just bought one wouldn’t go older than a MY21 as Jonny mentioned
Having said that mine currently has an issue and won’t charge past 75% due to a battery fault so not sure I’d recommend one at all at this present time
was lovely in the couple of weeks between getting it and having the problem though lol
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on the bright side does that mean you are getting a replacement battery?Personally having just bought one wouldn’t go older than a MY21 as Jonny mentioned
Having said that mine currently has an issue and won’t charge past 75% due to a battery fault so not sure I’d recommend one at all at this present time
Apparently they replace individual bad cells unless there are a lot of them in which case... free battery
Just hope they don't take it off the road for too long, booked in for mid-Oct. Got a road trip to Belgium to do between now and then haha
I’m surprised the procedure isn’t to swap your pack out for a remanufactured one with you being sent on your way rather than your pack being opened up in a dealer workshop.
Cell replacement is fairly risky in that you really need to know what your doing so you don’t kill yourself.
Cell replacement is fairly risky in that you really need to know what your doing so you don’t kill yourself.