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b0rn2sk8 said:
I’m surprised the procedure isn’t to swap your pack out for a remanufactured one with you being sent on your way rather than your pack being opened up in a dealer workshop.

Cell replacement is fairly risky in that you really need to know what your doing so you don’t kill yourself.
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Can't imagine the insides of the packs would be touched in the dealership.
 
I hadn’t considered the alternative that your pack is dropped and sent off to be repaired and shipped back but that seems like a terrible customer experience.

Edit: the dealer is also burdened with a dead car they can’t move easily for days/weeks.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
I hadn’t considered the alternative that your pack is dropped and sent off to be repaired and shipped back but that seems like a terrible customer experience.

Edit: the dealer is also burdened with a dead car they can’t move easily for days/weeks.
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Yeah not sure how they do it just what I’ve been told by Jaguar tbh

Apparently it was an LG manufacturing fault so I’m guessing individual bad cells will be paid for by LG but not a whole pack
 
SDK^ said:
I was looking at these last Friday, seems about £28k buys a nice 2019/2020 HSE.
Not sure on the infotainment and the white roof lining though.
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I have MY20 I Pace HSE. Touch Duo isn't bad IMO. It works. Android Auto works perfectly so mostly use that on a journey. I have pan roof with white performance seats/interior. 360 cam but no HUD.

Bought in April from Jaguar dealer. £32K, 17K miles 2 year extended warranty and charger installed.

No problem with range. Will be doing West Wales to Yorkshire tomorrow and taking it to Le Mans next year (considering a Silk Cut livery :) )

It's had some charger handshake issues that were resolved in an update. Sometimes the climate doesn't start in the previous state when it was last turned off. If it's been turned off, then back on too quickly, the infotainment screen can take an extra few seconds to wake up.
 
FerretBoy said:
I hear Tesla sometimes provide reconditioned batteries, rather than new. Unsure if confirmed though.
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They do, I don’t think they are unique which is why I was surprised by the above when they suggested it would be repaired in the workshop.

In theory it should have the same or less degradation than the original one you had.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
They do, I don’t think they are unique which is why I was surprised by the above when they suggested it would be repaired in the workshop.

In theory it should have the same or less degradation than the original one you had.
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TBH not sure how a battery pack can be reconditioned. You can't set the cycles back to zero so it's just a used pack surely.

Wouldn't mind an entirely new pack though :D
 
Well yes, anything ‘reconditioned or remanufactured’ is the posh name for used and repaired. Hence ‘the same or less degradation than the one being removed’.

In theory the fault in the battery back may not have been within the cells itself. I could have been a BMS fault in the ‘lighthouse’. Likewise faulty modules can be swapped out if needed.

I doubt any cell level repair is taking place, I’d have thought most are glued together or at least to the cooling components these days.
 
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Have you even looked Autotrader? EV prices have never been lower.

There are thousands of good EVs for sale on a 19/20 plate which is the first year that ‘good’ EVs started arriving in any meaningful volume.
 
Participant said:
I said leasing, I can't see any that can be leased?
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Sorry I thought you’d meant ex-lease cars to buy. Loads of those out there.

Since when was leasing older used cars a thing? I wouldn’t have thought the mainstream leasing agents would want an old car on their books that they’d need to maintain out of warranty.

PCP rates on used cars are silly high, I’d expect leasing a used car to be a very expensive way of ‘owning’ a car.
 
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leasing of used ev's by the manufacturers agents/garages is a big thing in germany, VW & Kia for one it's the new revenue stream to try and avoid flooding the market, and maintaining 2nd hand values,
and the manufacturers had the first option on buying them back when they supplied the fleet supplier for the first leasee.


Are these ipace recalls initially just for diagnostics review & software update, versus physical intervention ?
Does sound a bit like the kia ev6 recall where they patch the software so that it provides a better heads-up of problems, and mitigates it (reducing charge rate for ev6)
with the hope that the vehicles won't need intervention, but for longer term reliability it would be better for owners if they fixed weak component.

Albeit, this behaviour is just the same as you see in ICE - like peugot who introduce checks on belt in oil cambelts to avoid any high cost in warranty repairs (3-sigma triage)
but, having ability to monitor via software on a modern BEV is more efficient.
 
Haggisman said:
Not necessarily, but depends on the individual car and what you want it for.
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Well I'm starting to have a total rethink, we are a family of 5 and our main car is a Qashqai, which to be fair has been brilliant.

But most of the time it's just my wife and 3 kids, which would easily fit into a smaller car, and I'm thinking a leaf might be a good option.

We will need something bigger to fit all 5 of us in for weekend trips etc, I'm thinking about parting with my Z4 which I barely use, to make money for something that can accommodate all of us.
 
Crizzy said:
Is a 10 year old Nissan Leaf a bad idea for £5k?
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Presumably a Leaf 24. Check how many bars of battery life it has, probably not the full 12. It always had significantly less range in winter (50 miles?), so do the math on whether it'll do the journeys you need. Not really a weekend trip car, more a "does the short commute cheaply" car.

Plenty more about the car here, see this guy's oldest videos:

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one about used battery:
 
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