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The standard Nio sizes are 100kwh or 75kwh but they top at at 125kw and 110kw when rapid charging. That’s really quite slow for a high end EV these days.

I know they are launching a 150kwh version soon but it’s not yet on the market. Likewise there is a certain irony that the bigger battery you have, the less likely it is that you would use a swap station.
 
Yes there is some trade-off on the rapid charging capability for the architecture where you could change batteries with less effort. (like cooling system less optimized)
I think they may just have a few swap station in uk/eu, not for mid-journey swaps like china offers, but,
for customers who want a bigger battery or out of warranty replacement, or if the technology/density were improved


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Independant companies seem to be offering ev battery test capability (cant but believe AA will soon)
that's the kind of thing that will make 2nd hand purchase / near warranty end purchase more palettable
these folks commonly do mot's in france https://www.dekra.com/en/battery-test-for-electric-cars/
In 15 minutes and four steps, our battery test determines the capacity of a used electric car battery:​
  1. Preparation: Access the battery test URL on your smartphone. Connect the Vehicle Communication Interface (VCI) to the cable then the cable to the OBD port.
  2. Static test: After entering general vehicle data, required diagnostic data is read out and general readiness is verified.
  3. Dynamic test: Data is gathered during a brief acceleration.
  4. DEKRA report: TThe evaluation is ready in minutes and shows the residual battery capacity in a clear, comprehensible format. The entire report with additional information can be sent to the user by email.
The battery test with its patented algorithm has been validated by the prestigious RWTH Aachen University. The test is sophisticated, fast and precise, with the added benefit of providing an independent and objective assessment of the residual battery capacity of these electric cars. This helps promote transparency and trust surrounding used EV sales.​
seems to be models they construct showing expected voltage drop when you remove a known amount of charge https://publications.rwth-aachen.de/record/804631/files/804631.pdf
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jpaul said:
I think they may just have a few swap station in uk/eu, not for mid-journey swaps like china offers, but,
for customers who want a bigger battery or out of warranty replacement, or if the technology/density were improved
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All the Nio swap stations in Europe are 'mid journey' in that they are all just off major motorways and are intended to be used in place of rapid charging and they are not intended to be used in place of slow AC charging.

From what I understand is that under the battery lease model, if you have the small battery and want to upgrade to the bigger one then you can do that because you don't own the battery. There are no warranty issues because you don't own it.

You save around £13k not owning the battery but you pay £155/month to lease it, the swap station isn't included in that though. It's £10 plus a charge for the electricity they need to put back into the battery. If you just need a quick 'volt and bolt', you'd be better off rapid charging anyway (perhaps not in a Nio because they charge so slowly...).

EDIT: I imagine most if not all of these cars are 'on tick' (and therefore have a battery lease) given Nio is still a bit of an unknown quantity in Europe. You'd have to be brave to hand over £50k in cash.
 
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iPace has even picked up and Q8 Etron dropped off without any drama, will have a tinker when i get home. I hope the Etron isn't as boring as I think it will be, not in the slightest bit excited about it for some reason. Changing cars used to be exciting but leasing has made the process dull.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
All the Nio swap stations in Europe are 'mid journey' in that they are all just off major motorways and are intended to be used in place of rapid charging and they are not intended to be used in place of slow AC charging.

From what I understand is that under the battery lease model, if you have the small battery and want to upgrade to the bigger one then you can do that because you don't own the battery. There are no warranty issues because you don't own it.

You save around £13k not owning the battery but you pay £155/month to lease it, the swap station isn't included in that though. It's £10 plus a charge for the electricity they need to put back into the battery. If you just need a quick 'volt and bolt', you'd be better off rapid charging anyway (perhaps not in a Nio because they charge so slowly...).

EDIT: I imagine most if not all of these cars are 'on tick' (and therefore have a battery lease) given Nio is still a bit of an unknown quantity in Europe. You'd have to be brave to hand over £50k in cash.
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So how much would be a 60kwh battery swap?
And monthly lease for that battery
 
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Tempted on this - £354 per month for a fully maintained & insured 430bhp small hatch for 8k miles per year.
Will look great alongside my iX :p

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SDK^ said:
Tempted on this - £354 per month for a fully maintained & insured 430bhp small hatch for 8k miles per year.
Will look great alongside my iX :p

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Even I'd be tempted by that if the worst came to the worst with the old girl I have now.
New automatic 2nd hand would be looking at 5k probably now.



Separately, did I read new tesla do not come with indicator stalk but buttons on the wheel? If so, that is absolutely ridiculous! Indicate a lot with the wheel turned.
 
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SDK^ said:
Tempted on this - £354 per month for a fully maintained & insured 430bhp small hatch for 8k miles per year.
Will look great alongside my iX :p

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What about the BMW

I see they are fast but rather have something MEB. Went in a Uber the other day. Was ok
 
I think the extended range trophy (which also has a little bit more power) would be my choice rather than the X power tbh, I just don't see the entertainment factor lasting long in it - however that deal does look cheap!

If an i4 is anywhere close to the same sort of money (they weren't for me when I ordered) I'd struggle to even consider the MG

In other news my own MG4 has been sitting at the dealer for over a month now with no delivery offered ...getting close to telling them to stick it
 
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I know… but a premium car is is never going to be in the same ball park a cheap hatch back.

You could almost buy an MG4 outright for the expected depreciation on the i4 over 3-4 years.
 
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What about the BMW
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b0rn2sk8 said:
The i4 you want (40 M Sport) is >£59k verses £36k MG4... its not even in the same conversation.
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My new iX arrives in November.
The MG would be a 2nd EV for my partner. Current ETA on this is May / June.


rodenal said:
I think the extended range trophy (which also has a little bit more power) would be my choice rather than the X power tbh, I just don't see the entertainment factor lasting long in it - however that deal does look cheap!
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The Trophy extended range is currently £486 per month, so another £130pm over the XPower and the additional range isn’t required for us. Even the Trophy standard range is more, hence why this cheaper deal is tempting
 
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the lfp vs nmh battery technology cost&availibility probably comes into play for relative pricing of trophy nmh extended range,
( had read that LFP ideally shouldn't be charged to 100%, but this is nonetheless porpoised because the SOC is much more difficult to track and monitor on that architecture,
but a reset with a full charge takes away any guessing. )
 
jpaul said:
the lfp vs nmh battery technology cost&availibility probably comes into play for relative pricing of trophy nmh extended range,
( had read that LFP ideally shouldn't be charged to 100%, but this is nonetheless porpoised because the SOC is much more difficult to track and monitor on that architecture,
but a reset with a full charge takes away any guessing. )
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Residuals more likely impact monthlies
 
jpaul said:
the lfp vs nmh battery technology cost&availibility probably comes into play for relative pricing of trophy nmh extended range,
( had read that LFP ideally shouldn't be charged to 100%, but this is nonetheless porpoised because the SOC is much more difficult to track and monitor on that architecture,
but a reset with a full charge takes away any guessing. )
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NMH? You mean NMC ;) Nickel metal hydride went out ages ago...
My tesla has an LFP battery and it defaults the charge to 100% (the NMC ones default to 80)
 
1 day in with the Etron - I want the iPace back :cry:

No creep mode, don't like the regen/paddles at all, stereo is not bad but just sounds weird, it's feels sluggish in comparison to the iPace.

Wireless Android Auto is good though.
 
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