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What taxi are you suggesting can charge at a constant 350kW ?!?
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I'm either for or against wireless charging, but I will say this. The option to be able to charge a vehicle, fast, or slow, with a cable or without a cable, at home, at work, at service station, from any 3-pin socket is a heck of a lot better than being able to only add fuel by leaving your house with the vehicle and going to a designated re-fuelling station full of toxic fumes and flammable liquids.
So continue arguing about the benefits and drawbacks of wireless, I am finding it very interesting.
So continue arguing about the benefits and drawbacks of wireless, I am finding it very interesting.
I didn’t but it’s not unreasonable to expect they will be capable of it within the lifecycle of the charger, future proofing and all that. It’s a fairly reasonable alternative to spending £3.4 million on a 6 month wireless charging trial for a few taxis in one city.
A private hire driver could get a Tesla today which will do 200kw charging and have a 200 mile range. Not only that it will have comparable total running costs to a large diesel when used as a taxi. It will also likely attract plenty of customers because of the car in the short term...
I'm either for or against wireless charging, but I will say this. The option to be able to charge a vehicle, fast, or slow, with a cable or without a cable, at home, at work, at service station, from any 3-pin socket is a heck of a lot better than being able to only add fuel by leaving your house with the vehicle and going to a designated re-fuelling station full of toxic fumes and flammable liquids.
So continue arguing about the benefits and drawbacks of wireless, I am finding it very interesting.
Any 3pin socket? Really you think this is a good thing?
You are limited to 13A x 240v which as you can imagine might take a while.
Wireless is still the same in that you need power to it so why not just use a cable. All wireless phone chargers still need plugging in.
I'm either for or against wireless charging, but I will say this. The option to be able to charge a vehicle, fast, or slow, with a cable or without a cable, at home, at work, at service station, from any 3-pin socket is a heck of a lot better than being able to only add fuel by leaving your house with the vehicle and going to a designated re-fuelling station full of toxic fumes and flammable liquids.
So continue arguing about the benefits and drawbacks of wireless, I am finding it very interesting.
I agree on the feeling of FREEDOM! It was quite a revelation to not visit a "petrol" station for several months ... well until Shell installed a contactless Rapid charger in a Bristol Shell garage that was very convenient for me to use. Wireless charging from a parking spot would just that little bit better.
I'm sure wireless charging will be developed to a usable point where feasible as it's mostly proven already to work in small cases. I would like to draw a tenuous similarity though to a certain topic of solar roads and many millions of pounds of investors and municipal funding spent on projects despite many previous failed attempts and solid evidence proofing how nonviable it was.
Just for a bit entertainment look up Solar Roadways & EEVBlog videos on YT.
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Only an absolute ginormous prat wouldn't think the ability to add fuel to a vehicle from any standard electrical outlet wasn't a good thing.
"Yeah lets not use the the 100's of millions of sockets fitted in buildings across the land, it's just to darn slow and pointless" said no one ever.
I can't remember even being able to drive to see one of my family members, and getting there thinking ah, I'm staying all evening but need to add some fuel, I'll just plug it in the garage socket and get 12kW (~4 hours) which covers the entire journey home. No instead, what I've always had to do if running low is leave their house, go to a refuelling station, get my hand stinking of fuel and cost extra time and effort which is not needed.
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Sounds a solid argument to exactly why they didn’t spend the money on hyper fast charging to me!
The second paragraph is exactly what a taxi driver could do today- but many don’t/can’t/won’t.
Demonstration and champions talking about it and word of mouth seems to be the effect way to energise a shift - rather than simply telling people how to earn their living, especially taxi drivers.
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With wireless charging your hands won't smell of electric when using the hand held plug in charger. Will save on plastic gloves at garages.
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Agreed, currently it smells revolting.
has anyone been in an electric taxi in london - maybe it's mundane now, any premium ? when I had looked the manufacture was coy about revealing range/battery-capacity/cost.
I can't see what power of wireless charge is being proposed in nottingham, by pace company.
I don't use gloves in a petrol station ...I'm sure petrol station fill handles, must be one of the dirtiest things you have to touch in daily life, look what comes off of stearing wheel when you clean it;
but - a public charger, they, similarly provide the cable, that you have to manipulate ?
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If you're questioning if it's a good thing, how exactly is it a bad thing?
Of course it's not as a fast as a dedicated EV charger, but it's something. If we go to a family's house on a Friday evening and leave mid-day Sunday (which we do quite often), that's 39 hours charging, which is more than a full charge on a Model 3 (55KW). Throw them a fiver or a tenner and you're covered. Everyone has a plug socket indoors that's easily accessible via an extension cable, and a lot have one outdoors.
Even going to an Airbnb for the weekend (we're off to a cottage in May), you could hook up to a regular socket every time you're parked and that'd be totally free fuel.
Of course having the option of a 3 pin is a good thing. It’s more convenient than any other option.
Yeah when I go to visit family over a weekend I also steal £5 of petrol from them too
If every car did plug in tonight then there wouldn’t be enough electricity. The government report issued recently has already highlighted the risks of brown outs.
Yeah when I go to visit family over a weekend I also steal £5 of petrol from them too
If every car did plug in tonight then there wouldn’t be enough electricity. The government report issued recently has already highlighted the risks of brown outs.
Wow, I guess you don't get on well with your family then. Also it is about £1.80 on a standard tariff.
You really are a special kind of special.
Also if every car plugged in tonight, there'd be ample electrons to go around, since there are hardly any plug-in cars on the road currently. Oh wait hold on I just magiced 30 million plug-in vehicles overnight, not over the course of 20 years, with grid upgrades around them.
Jog on, you bring nothing to this thread other that twitism.
There's no need to get so defensive when someone disagrees with you. You said it was free. It’s not, someone is paying for it and by plugging it in anywhere you are taking electricity from some where.
And as later point shows, soon electricity prices are going to go up once it becomes mainstream.
E-fuel is the future I think but this niche market has its place today, incentivised by low fuel costs and tax credits like 0% BIK and the EU emissions bonus of EV cars (running out in 22-23)
And as later point shows, soon electricity prices are going to go up once it becomes mainstream.
E-fuel is the future I think but this niche market has its place today, incentivised by low fuel costs and tax credits like 0% BIK and the EU emissions bonus of EV cars (running out in 22-23)
Comparable rate to petrol at that price, same market as motorway service petrol perhaps, desperate people/emergencies/people not paying themselves?
Mercedes/Audi/etc. have decided that they don't want to make the 'cheap' charging they include with their over priced inefficient SUV's look like bad value when they charge you £0.39 and you also have to pay a subscription.
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Agree completely, I'm a big fan of the EV model but people should see its limits - 3kW is a long time to charge a battery vs the time to deplete that same charge.
Don't forget the only reason electric is cheaper than fossil for car fuel is taxation...