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lap times, I don't have many but here we have real people driving cars in a sprint at Castle combe

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Only one Tesla M3P, it has done pretty well over all, only a couple of road cars faster than it and quite a lot slower, Combe is a pretty fast track, it sandwiched between a couple of tuned ~500+ bhp cars ( evo6, mx5) that's just one EV but hard to argue with the straight line performance, can make up for some deficiencies in a corner, boring to watch though with no noise, easy to miss, much rather watch the slower GT4 or Yaris's :D
 
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ICDP said:
actual laptimes please
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agree from a handling/passive-safety perspective only the 5th gear unplugged & km77 pro drivers in their videos give you an idea how an ICE/bev would behave avoiding a moose, or, drive a lap,
which you wouldn't see on your test drive. ... I'm a video expert apparently
with a bit of thomas autogefeul thrown in to show what the interior is like
 
FerretBoy said:
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TESLA Model 3 vs BMW M3 Track Battle | Top Gear

Four challenges - a drag race, 0-100-0, hot lap, drift off - a point for each, one overall winner. And it’s all because Elon posted a tweet last May claimin...
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Model 3 beating BMW M3 around the track
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Driven by someone who can’t drive. The model 3 LR is decent on road but can’t imagine it being fun on a track. I did thruxton in my E92 when a load of telsas were there. Not really much in it at start of day when I didn’t know track.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
I wonder if back in the day there was this much pushback from horse and cart owners when cars 1st came about
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Did they ban the purchase of anything but cars when that happened? No, which might explain why we get some of the strong opinions we do.

Usually, something better arrives and people move to it because, well, it's better. This time around, all the alternatives will be banned. Over the next 10 years it will become more and more difficult to buy anything other than an electric car, whether you want one or not. Anyone involved in managing change knows the worst way to do it is to tell people they will change whether they like it or not and there isn't anything they can do it about.

There will be a number of people who are against the idea of electric cars who'd probably quite like them if they didn't feel they were being pushed to buy one even if they didn't want one.
 
They are not banning ICE cars, just the sale of new ones. So ICE will be around for a good few decades.
[TW]Fox said:
Did they ban the purchase of anything but cars when that happened? No, which might explain why we get some of the strong opinions we do.

Usually, something better arrives and people move to it because, well, it's better. This time around, all the alternatives will be banned. Over the next 10 years it will become more and more difficult to buy anything other than an electric car, whether you want one or not. Anyone involved in managing change knows the worst way to do it is to tell people they will change whether they like it or not and there isn't anything they can do it about.

There will be a number of people who are against the idea of electric cars who'd probably quite like them if they didn't feel they were being pushed to buy one even if they didn't want one.
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I am amused with some of the arguments being used again EVs.

Price I can understand, EVs are currently more expensive. I would hope that as the supply of pre-owned EVs increases then the 2nd hand prices will start to drop (maybe not true, but most things do drop in price when there is more supply)

The charging network: As more EVs are put onto the road the amount of money to be made offering charging will become lucrative and so more chargers will get built, irrelevant of government intervention, this is just capitalism no? 50% of supermarkets near me (Bristol) have a bank of 4-8 chargers already.

Surely people that are concerned about both of these things shouldn't be arguing against EVs, they should be trying to convince those that can afford it to switch ASAP, to fill the 2nd hand market and push more companies to build public chargers?

Unless I am way off? Are there other actually valid reasons why people hate them so much? Don't buy one? The 2030/5 ban doesn't include Hybrid, I am sure car manufacturers will make "Hybrid" cars that meet the minimum but are still basically ICE.
 
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Southy_ said:
50% of supermarkets near me (Bristol) have a bank of 4-8 chargers already.
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Of all the places that need chargers the supermarket would seem like the last place - 95% of visitors to a supermarket are surely local people within 10 miles of home who can and will charge at home? Why would you want to charge at a supermarket?
 
Simon said:
Driven by someone who can’t drive. The model 3 LR is decent on road but can’t imagine it being fun on a track. I did thruxton in my E92 when a load of telsas were there. Not really much in it at start of day when I didn’t know track.
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Pretty sure Top Gear did the usual time trial on the show and the Model 3 beat the M3, not by much but it still beat it.
 
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Of all the places that need chargers the supermarket would seem like the last place - 95% of visitors to a supermarket are surely local people within 10 miles of home who can and will charge at home? Why would you want to charge at a supermarket?
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If you can’t charge at home which is about 30% of car owners….
 
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Of all the places that need chargers the supermarket would seem like the last place - 95% of visitors to a supermarket are surely local people within 10 miles of home who can and will charge at home? Why would you want to charge at a supermarket?
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I am thinking about the many people that hate on EVs because they don't have the ability to charge at home, people that literally cannot charge their EV without a decent public charging network.
These are the people that imo have a valid complaint.

Bristol suburbs is a good example, where London has chargers in lamp posts and lots of on-street dedicated chargers, normal suburban streets in Bristol are not getting anything yet, so we need Supermarkets and Sports Centres and such to build up that number of chargers.
 
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Of all the places that need chargers the supermarket would seem like the last place - 95% of visitors to a supermarket are surely local people within 10 miles of home who can and will charge at home? Why would you want to charge at a supermarket?
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because currently one of the biggest and entirely reasonable concerns about EV ownership is how people without off road parking can charge their car.

edit ninja'd should have read whole thread 1st
 
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[TW]Fox said:
I wasn't talking about people who want to keep the same car for ever. I'm talking about people who routinely buy new or nearly new cars, which I'd imagine is most people in this thread.
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I guess they have the same problem that farmers had who were annoyed when DDT insecticide was banned.

given the rate at which EVs are improving WRT range , and charge speed

and whilst the charging roll out is not as good as I would have hoped...... it IS ramping up.

so really judging today's cars against a ban which is happening in 12 years time is not an apples with apples comparison.

even in 12 years time you will still be able to get a plug in hybrid likely with 60 miles of EV range so really it's just not an issue imo.

hell it shouldn't have been an issue before the government U turn but it sure as hell shouldn't be now.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
so really judging today's cars against a ban which is happening in 12 years time is not an apples with apples comparison
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Its not happening in 12 years time, it's happening now. Manufacturers are already removing petrol versions from their ranges so they can comply with the new quota rules from next year.

2035 is completely irrelevant, it'll be very difficult to buy new petrol cars long before then. The change from 2030 has little real effect.
 
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[TW]Fox said:
Its not happening in 12 years time, it's happening now. Manufacturers are already removing petrol versions from their ranges so they can comply with the new quota rules from next year.

2035 is completely irrelevant, it'll be very difficult to buy new petrol cars long before then. The change from 2030 has little real effect.
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so very much like when companies stopped selling carriages for horses then.......
 
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