Beat me to it.
Though on the positive side for an EV, you can often get battery health checks done that would more readily show if a battery was suffering. With an ICE it's a bit harder to quantify just how abused an engine is or isn't.
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Though on the positive side for an EV, you can often get battery health checks done that would more readily show if a battery was suffering. With an ICE it's a bit harder to quantify just how abused an engine is or isn't.
Just get a 330e they've not once seen a charger
To be fair that is due to our outdated and often absurd HMRC that allows you to pay a fixed ppm or that same ppm PLUS the cost of the electricity. You'd be daft to bother charging it under those circumstances.This being the same HMRC that values the 'benefit' of me being able to drive a 68 plate 1.4 Leon at £129/month compared to the benefit of driving a brand new Model Y Performance at £20/month.
...and no I'm not just bitter that because of screw ups out of my control I'm now on a K tax code... honest.
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Most of the Jaguars sub 3 years will be ex manager or the employees who took the 2 year lease option, most of those extended to 3 years though, so hence a huge number of 3 years old IPACES with big miles as theres no mileage limits.
I did 33k in just under 2 years in my old blue one and current white 23MY hit 21k after 1 year this December.... I found my collegues old Arval car on autotrader, at £26k it strike me as an utter bargain.
I did 33k in just under 2 years in my old blue one and current white 23MY hit 21k after 1 year this December....
I found my collegues old Arval car on autotrader, at £26k it strike me as an utter bargain.Are you saying you can't just plug the car in each night and have the car manage the charge level accordingly?
Or are you saying people do this even when the battery is still at 90% full before placing on charge?
Not sure about the iPaces, but in the Audi you can set the car to charge to any % you want to. I have the car set at 90%, however have my OHME set to 70% - so it'll only charge to 70% when I plug in unless I manually intervene to charge it higher.
If you set the car to 100% and leave it there, it'll keep asking you to change it back to 80%, but you can ignore it.
@Jonnycoupe Will consider a used jag in a years time when come to choose next EV but the reliability puts me off
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Based on the past of simply filling a car up to the top of the tank, people want an experience that is not worse than before. They don't want added complexity or hassle. People surely will just plug it in every night on their drive way. I would have expected manufacturers to have foreseen that and deal with charge levels accordingly and all automatically for the best benefit of the health/life of the thing? Do people really have to come up with charge planning tactics and management regimes?
Yes. Learn to deal with it. You'd be surprised how little effort it is if you try.
These EV prices that are "falling off a cliff"... got any examples? Do you guys mean they now cost a mere 30/40K instead of 50K kind of thing?
These guys have caught a falling knife
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News alert, not everyone fills their tank each fill. The idea of plugging a EV every night is frankly comedy - I dont. Its easier than going to a petrol station anyway at home
The top end buffer is fine the pack will manage, the reality of physics and chemistry means it helps calender aging to not sit at 100%, its like the EV version of thrashing a car from cold. Of course a benefit of IPACE is you cant thrash it from DC charging either like some other cars with a set number of rapid charge events before charge throttling.
I charge mine to 88% with Ohme, its more efficient charging and means it has full regen all the time. But thats the stuff car enthusiasts tend to do...
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it is true that IF you charge a car to 100% every day and let it sit there for weeks on full it will negatively effect the battery health. exactly so much however is open to debate.
car makers put a buffer in the battery as well so just because it says 100% doesn't mean it is (ipace iirc has a 90kwh battery but only 84 is usable - I could Google exact numbers but the point is 100% isn't really 100%)
also add to that people need to be fair. for instance yes perhaps some care is in need looking after your battery if you plan to keep for the long haul.
but how is that any different to having an ICE car and making sure your oil has warmed up before letting your car rev too high or giving it the full beans.
or not letting the fuel run too low incase it sucks crap in our of the bottom of the tank.
all vehicles have ways you can stretch our the reliability, or on the other hand ways to shorten the lift span if not treated properly.
I respect those who do maintain their stuff but it's not balanced to use battery health as a thing to worry about but equally not then use oil viscosity and temperature when talking about ICE wear and tear.
FWIW incharge my car between 30-80%ish every other week. no hassle at all... but am not afraid to go to 100% before a road trip, it's designed for it.
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Like myself you are a special type on a special forum
these things are fine and simple, explaining this process to my missus who doesn't care enough to want to understand things like off peak charging windows, limits and pre heating, she can’t seem to take in, same with my mother, you see them glaze over as I explain, so I become the chargemaster 
Buts it's not for everyone, EV charging is a bit involved for optimal use.
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These guys have caught a falling knife
What were they brand new? Do they have any warranty after 3 years? What about the battery warranty itself?
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Just get a 330e they've not once seen a charger
Certainly applies to the vast majority of company ones, although not all, depends on the company policy very much from my experience (in regards paying for electricity)
Private ones people do seem to charge them
My point was, we are a forum of geeky, technical minded people generally. Do you think Joe Public is going to honestly do anything other than just plug it in most nights? I'm not saying it is or isn't hard to manage, just the expectations from people are going to be that they want the easiest usage experience. We are talking about a country full of people that do not know how to use the roads and need telling when they have a flat tyre.
An HSE was about a £70k car list price I think, though I'd be very surprised if many or indeed any people were buying them as cash or HP
You also have to think about the battery warranty too. I've seen one where it listed the service history and when you check the site, it was done at 23k, when Jaguar recommend 21k or 2 years. Then the second was done at 48k when it should have been done at 42k or 4 years.
That will probably be a PITA to claim against the traction / battery warranty as that lasts 8 years. Granted, the services were just brake fluid change and pollen filter, possibly, but Jaguar can 100 percent say and see the service schedule was not kept to.
That's because it was probably a lease car and the person leasing knew they would hand it back and didn't give a crap about servicing it on time, which wouldn't matter if buying used for the 3 year manufacturer warranty but as they do the battery and traction for 8 years, that service history is more important.
Same goes for any ex lease car I guess. Could have been driven like it was stolen, mis treated and never serviced properly or at an authorised garage either.
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We're an all EV family now. So, the wife now also has an Electroverse card and has had to charge one of the cars at least once. But, I do conceed, she hasn't a clue about how half of the house / cars work and all the apps and settings that go behind maximising the savings you can make from IOG, EVs, solar, batteries etc. She does understand Power Ups though. Baking central in our house when those happen.Like myself you are a special type on a special forum
Buts it's not for everyone, EV charging is a bit involved for optimal use.
Now, on the flip side - I haven't got a clue when it comes to shopping loyalty cards.
We all have our points of interest, and focus our attention spans in that direction.
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You can, it's just some folk like to manage their battery health more directly