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I know of several people, the inlaws included who seem to think 100K miles on any car is the end of days and will happy swap for something newer with some frankly shocking trade in numbers give for the 'near dead' car. Mean whilst i still have a 278k ICE & Electric battery in a old Honda :D

Kenai said:
Tesla patent drawing for their unibody casting process, which I think they use on the Model Y (or at least wanted to)
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Are they going to take over from Hot Wheels doing die cast cars? :cry:
 
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The good new is, EVs will be cheap to buy 3rd hand too. The Prestiege EV sector is a financial minefield. It's very hard to argue an iPace would be a good financial decision compared to something a bit more run of the mill.

Not every car decision is just based on the numbers.
 
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it is true EVs will likely evolve more than ICE cars because ICE cars have no where to go. but if you buy an ipace for 22k today and if it's well looked after and you come to sell it in 4 years time.... obviously I don't have a crystal ball but if 2016 nissan leafs are fetching 6k today I have to believe an ipace in good nick will fetch 12k.
even without a warranty there will be those happy to take the risk.

so £2.5k per year depreciation for a tidy 70k car when new, doesn't sound terrible to me.

I admit I tried to catch the falling knife and failed a bit. my car has depreciated a lot more in 6 months than I expected and am disappointed with that but my view is we will have to hit the bottom price wise soon

but we shall see
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
I know of several people, the inlaws included who seem to think 100K miles on any car is the end of days and will happy swap for something newer with some frankly shocking trade in numbers give for the 'near dead' car. Mean whilst i still have a 278k ICE & Electric battery in a old Honda :D
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Bought my I Pace on 88k miles :D
 
chanjy said:
Bought my I Pace on 88k miles :D
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Now that could be the best thing ever!

If when it's 8 years old the battery health is less than 70 percent (I think it is) then you my friend will get a brand new battery pack installed under the 8 year warranty they offer.

I keep thinking if this is worth a gamble on a high usage I pace myself. Knowing my luck it will be at 73 percent and then drop to 69 at 8 years and 1 month old!
 
Nemiyen said:
Now that could be the best thing ever!

If when it's 8 years old the battery health is less than 70 percent (I think it is) then you my friend will get a brand new battery pack installed under the 8 year warranty they offer.

I keep thinking if this is worth a gamble on a high usage I pace myself. Knowing my luck it will be at 73 percent and then drop to 69 at 8 years and 1 month old!
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Sadly think it's 8 years or 100,000 miles

But no biggie
 
jaybee said:
So say you buy that Jag listed above at 22K...
What are you doing in 3/4 years time when it's 2027/28, EV tech has moved on, you only have 1/2 years left on your 8 year battery warranty? Who's buying your Jag second hand then? I would have thought nobody. So do you factor that in and just say I'll drive a nice Jag for 3 or 4 years and it will cost me 22K and then it's a bonus as to whether it goes on working for many more years beyond the 8 year warranty and does not write itself off in repair costs?
Is that the mindset?
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Of course it will be worth something in 8+ years.
The same as 8 year old cars today are still worth something.

Sure, the tech will be older and the battery might only have 85% of the original capacity, but the choice is: buy a new one for £80k, a slightly used 3 year old one for ~£40k, or an 8 year old for ~£10k
 
SDK^ said:
Of course it will be worth something in 8+ years.
The same as 8 year old cars today are still worth something.

Sure, the tech will be older and the battery might only have 85% of the original capacity, but the choice is: buy a new one for £80k, a slightly used 3 year old one for ~£40k, or an 8 year old for ~£10k
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Inb4

"or never buy one, I'm driving diesel til I die / waiting for hydrogen / whatever"

:p
 
jpaul said:
can/did you subsequently, review charging history on DC and A/C (like 50% on A/C, 50% DC, with typically stopping at X%, average charge YKw) -
the ICE analogue of getting an oil analysis say.
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No. That data would meant nothing to nobody anyway. Not even those in the Vatican
 
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jaybee said:
My point was, we are a forum of geeky, technical minded people generally. Do you think Joe Public is going to honestly do anything other than just plug it in most nights? I'm not saying it is or isn't hard to manage, just the expectations from people are going to be that they want the easiest usage experience. We are talking about a country full of people that do not know how to use the roads and need telling when they have a flat tyre.
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Normal people and geeky people plug in their cars most days, there isn’t any reason not to.

The difference is the default charge level is 80% which will give most cars a minimum of 160 miles real world range (many it is more like 200-220). The average daily milage is under 21 miles.

The owner only needs to change it from 80% to 100% when if they expect to drive >140 miles. I’m not sure what the issue is.
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even without a warranty there will be those happy to take the risk.
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I’d be more concerned about the £1500 non-replaceable matrix headlight ‘bulbs’ (per side) failing on an 8 year old car than the high voltage battery failing in an EV.

Sure you can put a used one in from a scrappy but how long will it last if it’s also 8 years old….
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If this illustration becomes real, the body work repair cost will be astronomical. Any body work damage will likely to result in a write off.
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Kenai said:
Tesla patent drawing for their unibody casting process, which I think they use on the Model Y (or at least wanted to)
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The only bits which are big casts are not economically repairable on any car using insurance repair standards. The exterior body panels are not part of the cast.

They can patent all the like, that doesn’t mean it’s a real product.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Normal people and geeky people plug in their cars most days, there isn’t any reason not to.

The difference is the default charge level is 80% which will give most cars a minimum of 160 miles real world range (many it is more like 200-220). The average daily milage is under 21 miles.

The owner only needs to change it from 80% to 100% when if they expect to drive >140 miles. I’m not sure what the issue is.


I’d be more concerned about the £1500 non-replaceable matrix headlight ‘bulbs’ (per side) failing on an 8 year old car than the high voltage battery failing in an EV.

Sure you can put a used one in from a scrappy but how long will it last if it’s also 8 years old….



The only bits which are big casts are not economically repairable on any car using insurance repair standards. The exterior body panels are not part of the cast.

They can patent all the like, that doesn’t mean it’s a real product.
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you are not wrong about the lights. they are amazing when they work but Christ if they fail.... but that isn't just an EV problem

maybe I could get a conversion to Halfords £10 bulbs :D
 
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bigmike20vt said:
you are not wrong about the lights. they are amazing when they work but Christ if they fail.... but that isn't just an EV problem
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Totally agree and why I specifically said ‘car’ rather than an EV when referring to the lights.

Long gone are the days of replacing a £2 halogen bulb (aside from the cheapest of the cheap cars).

Imagine if you had the fancy upgraded lights on your ID.3 and after 12 years it failed. New parts might not be available and if the failure rate is high, used parts might be rare also, imagine economically writing off a car over a headlight…
 
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Just got back from Morrisons and there was a big pickup parked across both the charging bays, as if the big truck doesn't shout "I'm insecure" enough as it is :cry:

Didn't realise this was still a thing? Might have been easy enough to get away with it when there weren't many EVs around, but with a lot more people driving them, (hopefully) won't be too long before he finds himself with 4 flat tyres.
 
Bug One said:
Just wait till the price of fossil fuels starts creeping up (as it inevitably will over the next 20 years). We'll see how many evangelists remain.
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Fossil fuels are cheap. The tax is what makes them expensive. Electricity on the other hand…
 
Nemiyen said:
Now that could be the best thing ever!

If when it's 8 years old the battery health is less than 70 percent (I think it is) then you my friend will get a brand new battery pack installed under the 8 year warranty they offer.

I keep thinking if this is worth a gamble on a high usage I pace myself. Knowing my luck it will be at 73 percent and then drop to 69 at 8 years and 1 month old!
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They are well managed batteries. They won’t be that knackered. Pure speculation
 
Simon said:
Fossil fuels are cheap. The tax is what makes them expensive. Electricity on the other hand…
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The electricity price is only high because gas (fossil fuel) sets the the price cap and unit price.
Look at the last few weeks where there was excess wind energy and the Octocpus Tracker or Agile unit price was well below 10p kWh, or in some hours you got paid to use it.

As the renewable energy roll out ramps up, the electricity unit price will gradually reduce.
 
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Nemiyen said:
Now that could be the best thing ever!

If when it's 8 years old the battery health is less than 70 percent (I think it is) then you my friend will get a brand new battery pack installed under the 8 year warranty they offer.

I keep thinking if this is worth a gamble on a high usage I pace myself. Knowing my luck it will be at 73 percent and then drop to 69 at 8 years and 1 month old!
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Flaw in that thinking is that it might not be a brand new battery pack. Tesla I think may replace with a similarly aged/milage battery pack, or a pack built with old but currently healthy cells. THis i noted was mentioned by a Model Y owner where the car is on it's third battery pack.
What would be useful to used EV buyers is logging and summarising of stats that impact longevity. How often has a car been fast charged, to what % etc, how often run to a very low SOC and how long at that SOC. Stats like that.
I'd not like to buy a used EV for decent money with high-ish milage unless I knew how it was used and charged.
 
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DarrenM343 said:
Flaw in that thinking is that it might not be a brand new battery pack. Tesla I think may replace with a similarly aged/milage battery pack, or a pack built with old but currently healthy cells. THis i noted was mentioned by a Model Y owner where the car is on it's third battery pack.
What would be useful to used EV buyers is logging and summarising of stats that impact longevity. How often has a car been fast charged, to what % etc, how often run to a very low SOC and how long at that SOC. Stats like that.
I'd not like to buy a used EV for decent money with high-ish milage unless I knew how it was used and charged.
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Nissan gives you all that info on a print out when you get the car serviced.
 
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