EV general discussion

[b0rn2sk8]

Some of the modern cars, if anything electronics go wrong , local mechanic can’t deal with as they need dealership level diagnostics.

I don’t know how easy it is to get those diagnostic tools or how much of a cost barrier it is.

But my local tyre pro doesn’t have the computer to be able to calibrate my cars wheel alignment. Apparently there isn’t one for miles around.

Gov can introduce right to repair, OEM can still find loopholes ie putting up cost of specialist tools so that only their dealership or very large workshop will have such things.

It is definitely a worrying trend. Probably also why insurance premiums go up so much all of the sudden as a general trend.

Is this actually true?

I’m pretty sure you can get suitable diagnostic equipment for pretty much any vehicle, even Tesla, the so-called unrepairable car.

End users can even pay to use Tesla’s in house software as an end user and it isn’t particularly expensive. 24 hours access is only a few £.

Your local tyre shop may not have the latest software on their wheel alignment machines or they may have invested in machines that don’t regularly get updated by their manufacturer which is why they can’t do your car. The sample of one doesn’t necessarily identify a particular problem.

 

[Showboat]

What are the mileage limits?

I assume tires, insurance and brake down cover is all included.

I think the base is either 6,000 or 8,000 miles and every 2,000 miles a year you add generally costs an extra £20 a month.
Everything is included (insurance / servicing / tyres / breakdown)

 

[Minstadave]

Just had a look at whats available on nhsfleetsolutions using SS
All prices from: (Usually add £50 for me)
q8 - £375
i5- £405
i4 - £335
ix1 - £339
i-pace - £405
xc40 - £315
id3 - £265
id5 - £325

Not bad prices imo

Had the iPace and currently on the Q8. With the recent insurance hikes it's a bit of brainer.

What you don't see is the reduction in pension from the salary sacrifice, which can be substantial when properly modeled.

 

[bigmike20vt]

That's A pretty good report.
80pc health.

Does that mean you basically get 80pc of the range from new?

Because ice cars also lose performance over time (no idea how much)

dont forget the old nissan leaf is about the worst EV battery life out there. i am not knocking it, but it was one of the 1st and so much has been learned since then on battery management as well as battery chemistry.

It is inconceivable to imagine that a 2020 EV battery would degrade in 10 years as much as a 2013 leaf. and that is forgetting that cars with smaller batteries the battery tends to have a much harder life than cars with big batteries...... (a 2013 leaf is far more likely to need daily charging possibly at close to 100% for it to be fit for purpose, where as my car gets charged every 1.5 - 2 weeks and i rarely need to charge to 100%.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

dont forget the old nissan leaf is about the worst EV battery life out there. i am not knocking it, but it was one of the 1st and so much has been learned since then on battery management as well as battery chemistry.

It is inconceivable to imagine that a 2020 EV battery would degrade in 10 years as much as a 2013 leaf. and that is forgetting that cars with smaller batteries the battery tends to have a much harder life than cars with big batteries...... (a 2013 leaf is far more likely to need daily charging possibly at close to 100% for it to be fit for purpose, where as my car gets charged every 1.5 - 2 weeks and i rarely need to charge to 100%.

Absolutely. Very few modern EVs are going to be going from 80-15% every day. The same journey in the Q8 uses about 15%.

 

[bigmike20vt]

Indeed. Let’s not use a RX8 as a reliability case study of an ICE.

ok but if we are talking really expensive prestige performance EV cars then we need to compare apples to apples.

we were talking about an ipace at under 25k, this was a 65K car when new so its not fair to compare to a nissan QQ either...... running costs of prestige performance cars are high, so what car should we compare to?
nissan GTR?, or keep it JLR one of the high performance F Paces..... i dont know as i havent cheated and looked but i expect the running costs of those wont be cheap either.

i had 2 fiat coupes, ok my Yellow peril cost me peanuts and if any car was as cheap to run as that was then i would be happy..... but replacing the cambelt every 50k miles was £1000 a pop and whilst that was on its factory turbo at 100K miles before i wrote it off, my 2nd one was the opposite. as well as 2 cambelts, by the time it had covered 86k miles that had had a new engine at under 50,000 miles and needed 2 turbos before i traded it in. To make it worse the turbo was blown again when i traded the car in (it was the straw which broke the camels back).

 

[AnastieByte]

I've just been watching a What Car You Tube video regarding public chargers:

How bad REALLY is the electric car charging network? | What Car?

#WhatCar #EVCharging #EVChargingTestHow bad really is the public electric car charging network? Will Nightingale spends a day with a Skoda Enyaq to find out....

www.youtube.com

In the video he visits a number of public chargers that are either in Hotels car parks or Gym's.

My question is this. If you are wanting to use a public charger in a Gym car park or hotel do you get charged a parking charge if not staying at that hotel or a member of the gym?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

It depends entirely on the policy of the establishment that you are visiting.

Public chargers are ultimately located in paid car parks, time restricted car parks and ‘free’ car parks.

 

[Simon]

ok but if we are talking really expensive prestige performance EV cars then we need to compare apples to apples.

we were talking about an ipace at under 25k, this was a 65K car when new so its not fair to compare to a nissan QQ either...... running costs of prestige performance cars are high, so what car should we compare to?
nissan GTR?, or keep it JLR one of the high performance F Paces..... i dont know as i havent cheated and looked but i expect the running costs of those wont be cheap either.

i had 2 fiat coupes, ok my Yellow peril cost me peanuts and if any car was as cheap to run as that was then i would be happy..... but replacing the cambelt every 50k miles was £1000 a pop and whilst that was on its factory turbo at 100K miles before i wrote it off, my 2nd one was the opposite. as well as 2 cambelts, by the time it had covered 86k miles that had had a new engine at under 50,000 miles and needed 2 turbos before i traded it in. To make it worse the turbo was blown again when i traded the car in (it was the straw which broke the camels back).

Just anything other than a rotary ! Has anyone ever told you that you overthink things ?

 

[jpaul]

comparison point is an ICE with similar value & power at 3/4 years 25K 340i say

 

[bigmike20vt]

Just anything other than a rotary ! Has anyone ever told you that you overthink things ?

I am not the one arguing that a 3.5 year old 70k car when new, costing 25k today will be worthless once it hits 8 years old because the battery will either be kaput or obsolete... (not saying you are either) but when trying to counter that kind of comment then I was just putting in my experiences, and those of friends who also had some pretty eye watering bills with ICE cars are well.

all cars have the potential to screw you over if you get a lemon

(at least i didnt use a TVR as an example - I almost bought a 4.5l cerbera however if my lemon of a 2nd fiat coupe taught me anything it is that i do not have the constitution to have an unreliable car......)

 

[Simon]

Yeah time will tell about long term issues with EV. The waiting game starts now but what has surprised me is my cupra needs new tyres after only 14k miles are pretty steady driving.

Maybe reliability and fun are a trade off like your TVR example

 

[bigmike20vt]

Yeah time will tell about long term issues with EV. The waiting game starts now but what has surprised me is my cupra needs new tyres after only 14k miles are pretty steady driving.

Maybe reliability and fun are a trade off like your TVR example

lol maybe... you cant put a value on the grin you get putting your foot down (well you can i guess!)... FWIW i didnt completely give up on having a nice car... i got a 350z and that was a fantastic car for the money and was pretty cheap to run as well (i guess i could have used that as an example of older ICE cars running costs..... however it would have shot me in the foot as that car was so damn reliable and cheap to maintain - I wish all cars were as reliable and simple to run as that)

(far far cheaper than my 1.5l diesel nissan QQ or my 1.6l diesel pug 308 thanks to dodgy DPFs on both cars)

 

[Haggisman]

It depends entirely on the policy of the establishment that you are visiting.

Public chargers are ultimately located in paid car parks, time restricted car parks and ‘free’ car parks.

This. I'm curious however as to what would be the policy of e.g. a motorway services if you overstayed the 2 hours free because there was a queue at the chargers. Whilst technically you could argue you weren't parked if you were sitting in a queue waiting, they tend to work on ANPR on entry and exit, and so you'd probably end up with an automated fine.

 

[lordrobs]

Just got back from Morrisons and there was a big pickup parked across both the charging bays, as if the big truck doesn't shout "I'm insecure" enough as it is

Didn't realise this was still a thing? Might have been easy enough to get away with it when there weren't many EVs around, but with a lot more people driving them, (hopefully) won't be too long before he finds himself with 4 flat tyres.

Just before Christmas I was filling up at Shell and an Audi E-Tron pulled up at the adjacent fuel pump and the driver strolled into the shop. Not the first time I've seen this happen either. Some people are just inconsiderate (or outright obstructive) whatever fuels their motor.

The electricity price is only high because gas (fossil fuel) sets the the price cap and unit price.
Look at the last few weeks where there was excess wind energy and the Octocpus Tracker or Agile unit price was well below 10p kWh, or in some hours you got paid to use it.

As the renewable energy roll out ramps up, the electricity unit price will gradually reduce.

Must have been Agile as I've not seen the tracker rates dip below 14p sorry, 11.5p for the last month.

This. I'm curious however as to what would be the policy of e.g. a motorway services if you overstayed the 2 hours free because there was a queue at the chargers. Whilst technically you could argue you weren't parked if you were sitting in a queue waiting, they tend to work on ANPR on entry and exit, and so you'd probably end up with an automated fine.

If people are regularly having to spend 2 hours at a motorway services the problem would start to resolve itself because people will transition back to ICE.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

This. I'm curious however as to what would be the policy of e.g. a motorway services if you overstayed the 2 hours free because there was a queue at the chargers. Whilst technically you could argue you weren't parked if you were sitting in a queue waiting, they tend to work on ANPR on entry and exit, and so you'd probably end up with an automated fine.

You’d get fined if you didn’t pay the £20 or whatever it is at that MSA. It’s not the time parked, it’s time on the site.

Someone’s just posted a picture on Facebook of a large queue forming at the south mimms tesla chargers but seemingly the tesla owners are not using the available and faster applegreen units on the site. The price difference is not that significant, south mimms is the most expensive tesla charger in the country.

There are 24 more tesla chargers being built there but you can’t help stupid today….

 

[Demon]

The gross price of the Q8 is probably £1000/month, that is pretty significant for someone who isn't a consultant on £100k.

How would that work?
If a Q8 is £375 Net, it can't be £1000 gross as a non consultant, you can only save Tax/NI, so I presume the gross is vastly discounted..

Almost obscenely low prices, just checked 4 SS providers we approached when setting ours up, on £60k salary for 5-6K Miles/Insured/Maintained, nothing under £600 even with special offers.. highest is £735pm

To get it close to £450 you have to be on £125k and burning the extra tax allowance reductions

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I assumed they would still be a 40% tax payer still due to the low prices. With thanks to fiscal drag, anyone with a sensible salary is now up in the 40% band.

They are the headline prices meaning base spec cars with very low permitted milage. You’d probably pay a bit more in the real world, hence me rounding up to £1000 gross.


Some NHS employees get car contributions which lower the price further due to the nature of their job. The original poster was not clear of that was the case or not.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

My wife is paying £507 for 12k miles. £500 of that is her monthly car allowance.

Edit/ When I write 'paying' I mean deducated from her monthly pay.

 

[pc-guy]

I've just been watching a What Car You Tube video regarding public chargers:

How bad REALLY is the electric car charging network? | What Car?

#WhatCar #EVCharging #EVChargingTestHow bad really is the public electric car charging network? Will Nightingale spends a day with a Skoda Enyaq to find out....

www.youtube.com

In the video he visits a number of public chargers that are either in Hotels car parks or Gym's.

My question is this. If you are wanting to use a public charger in a Gym car park or hotel do you get charged a parking charge if not staying at that hotel or a member of the gym?

Depends. Some hotel will happily weave the parking reatrictions. But places like premier inn, you can stay for free and obviously use the charger if you are a guest. If you are not they may or may not let you stay for long. If you are nice about it or met a person at the reception that’s nice about it they will just let it run. Similar run in with travel lodge etc etc places.