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Their first and probably their best.
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Their first and probably their best.
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Every band has one Album
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Which do you think made them more money? Which do you think satisfied their record company more? Which do you think gave them more exposure?Mr.Orb said:
OoS is the better album, and I wouldn't argue with it being defining either, but Absolution broke them to the bigger market.
It does emphasise that the OP is asking for 2 very different things.
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Otacon said:
I meant the album with 'How To Be Dead' and 'Wow'....okay i wrote the wrong album down.
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/blames iTunes.
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Muse were huge after Origin of Symmetry came out. If there was an album that 'broke them into the big time' then that was it. They were already in the mainstream when Absolution was released - hence it can't have brought them into the mainstream!Otacon said:
I won't deny that it opened them up to an even wider audience, but they were already very popular before that. Why else do you think it was so eagerly anticipated?
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I was actually talking about this with one of my mates last night. I ventured they hypothesis that for almost all bands, the album which is most widely accepted as their 'best' is one of their first three albums. We tried to come up with some counterexamples.
Pink Floyd's best album is usually held to be Dark Side of the Moon or Wish You Were Here, which were their 8th and 9th albums respectively. I suggested that this was because they had a continuously changing songwriting dynamic within the group, as variously Syd Barret, Roger Waters or Dave Gilmour came to prominence.
My friend ventured that perhaps bands needed a certain 'passion' to write an incredible album that is very hard to achieve once they're established. Thoughts?
Pink Floyd's best album is usually held to be Dark Side of the Moon or Wish You Were Here, which were their 8th and 9th albums respectively. I suggested that this was because they had a continuously changing songwriting dynamic within the group, as variously Syd Barret, Roger Waters or Dave Gilmour came to prominence.
My friend ventured that perhaps bands needed a certain 'passion' to write an incredible album that is very hard to achieve once they're established. Thoughts?
I can only speak for me and my peers at the time (our passion was trance, and we were only aware of the charts, rather than interested in them), but we'd never heard of them until Absolution was released and everyone was talking about it. I still dont know what singles they may have released before Time Is Running Out, it was the song that, ime, brought them to the mainstream.Arcade Fire said:
I had no idea it was anticipated. I'd never heard of them.Arcade Fire said:
As I say, it's only my experience, but I consider my music awareness outside of trance, at the time, to be as common as they come.
[edit]Wasn't there an album inbetween OoS and Absolution which was a bit crap?
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The Manics really had "defining" albums. Firstly, The Holy Bible was really a culmination of what they stood for as a band in their early years and is one of the darkest, most honest and frankly disturbing albums I have heard. Everything must go defined the new "post-richie" manics. A lighter, brighter band without the weight of the world on their shoulders. It's impossible to say one is more "defining" than the other IMO as they define two completely different bands in two different eras (albeit only a couple of years apart).
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The Jam - All Mod Cons - Weller showed that the Jam were a cut above the rest of the post Punk bands and that the band were well able to redefine itself, gave a hint of the direction the sound would go, critically very well received and paved the way for the hits that followed.
Pop Will Eat Itself - This Is The Day, This Is The Hour, This Is This -PWEI successfully started filling good size venues nationally and everywhere you went people were wearing 'Sample It, Loop It, **** It and Eat It' t-shirts (Although I think Dos Dedos Mis Amigos is a far better album even if it was an attempt at restarting the band with a new direction)
Janes Addiction - Ritual De Lo Habitual -It seemed (at the time) every student in the world had this album and spawned their only real chart success with 'Been caught stealing' getting tickets for gigs all of a sudden became a nightmare.
Faith No More - The Real Thing -It defined a time, a place and a band, nothing more needs to be said.
Nirvana - Nevermind -Surprised reading through the thread no one had this one (Although I probably missed it), personally I think Bleach was a far better album.
Pop Will Eat Itself - This Is The Day, This Is The Hour, This Is This -PWEI successfully started filling good size venues nationally and everywhere you went people were wearing 'Sample It, Loop It, **** It and Eat It' t-shirts (Although I think Dos Dedos Mis Amigos is a far better album even if it was an attempt at restarting the band with a new direction)
Janes Addiction - Ritual De Lo Habitual -It seemed (at the time) every student in the world had this album and spawned their only real chart success with 'Been caught stealing' getting tickets for gigs all of a sudden became a nightmare.
Faith No More - The Real Thing -It defined a time, a place and a band, nothing more needs to be said.
Nirvana - Nevermind -Surprised reading through the thread no one had this one (Although I probably missed it), personally I think Bleach was a far better album.
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I think that we're using different defininitions of 'popular music'. I'd consider something to be popular if it's getting a lot of coverage in NME and other mainstream music press - although that often precedes chart success anyway.Otacon said:
I guess it's a little silly debating it - after all, where do you draw the line at popular?! Do people who are 'into' that genre have to like it? How about people who are just into music in general? Does my mum have to have heard of it? After Origin of Symmetry was released, a lot of people knew and liked Muse - as in hundreds of thousands, not just thousands. That's good enough for me.
Yeah, they released an album of live recordings and B sides, called Hullaballoo. It's pretty much what you'd expect from an album of live recordings and B sides - great for the hardcore fans; not really worth it for anyone else.
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Rise Against - Revolutions Per Minute. Both their defining moment and path onto greater things as they signed with Dreamworks (then punted to Geffen when Dreamworks went bust) after this album was released. Possibly their best sounding record also.
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How about Trout Mask Replica? That was Beefheart's fourth or fifth album.
Also maybe Bowie, although trying to find more than two people who agree on which was his bets album is a mission in itself!
Oh, and Boards of Canada of course.
Maybe Nick Cave? Tom Waits? Hehe, I'm warming to this game now. It does seem to be a certain type of artist though, rather than band, dosn't it? Or maybe its just my train of thought...
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