Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 302 27.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 577 52.6%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 104 9.5%

  • Green

    Votes: 13 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 19 1.7%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 30 2.7%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 6 0.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 46 4.2%
  • Total voters
    1,097
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stewski said:
Well on that we agree and likely that the competence is so low it may not impact the world massively!

But dismissal of authoritarian behaviour with hand waving is apologist!
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Or it is having a different opinion on something? We are still allowed to do that aren't we? It would be a bit authoritarian if we weren't... :)
 
RDM said:
Or it is having a different opinion on something? We are still allowed to do that aren't we? It would be a bit authoritarian if we weren't... :)
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Sure If our opinions differ its not the end of the world, I call replacing your FBI investigator with someone more acceptable authoritarian and denying that is authoritarian, apologist, you do not!
 
stewski said:
Sure If our opinions differ its not the end of the world, I call replacing your FBI investigator with someone more acceptable authoritarian and denying that is authoritarian, apologist, you do not!
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Is there any reason why, even after I have explained that I am not an apologist, you still continue to use the term?
 
The_Abyss said:
The incredible irony of this is that, currently, councils are borrowing enormous sums of money and investing it into commercial property, hoping for a greater rental yield than than rate of interest on the loan. This is a business that most councils know nothing about too...
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The other being that housing benefit paid to private landlords is now one of the biggest costs of social care, at over £9 billion/year. Up 42% since 2008!

https://www.theguardian.com/society...-taxpayers-national-housing-federation-report
 
RDM said:
Is there any reason why, even after I have explained that I am not an apologist, you still continue to use the term?
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Clearly because our opinions differ, which isn't the end of the world.
Thankfully in my opinion Trump is so far proving to be an entirely inept fascist and what looked like a wave of fascism, may have been stemmed by sanity in voting elsewhere.
 
There's some suggestion that the DUP are demanding a reduction in corp tax for NI as part of this deal. I imagine it would be quite tempting for UK companies to HQ in NI if that was the case. I understand why they would want it as it would bring it in line with RoI but I think its a bit of a kick in the teeth of UK tax payers.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
Not sure this is something to celebrate. We need a viable government system and that includes opposition either via one or many parties.
Giving carte blanche to one party regardless of their political angle is a recipe for disaster.
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Welp, don't care, when you only work for the people that vote for you, then you aren't fit to lead anyway. The Tories chose old people, they can stew in that.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
Not sure this is something to celebrate. We need a viable government system and that includes opposition either via one or many parties.
Giving carte blanche to one party regardless of their political angle is a recipe for disaster.
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all they need to do is offer an alternative that doesn't **** over the everyman and they'll be fine. redundant old people who have only voted one way for the last 70 years are part of the problem anyway. A more egalitarian electorate is a positive thing.

B@
 
StriderX said:
Welp, don't care, when you only work for the people that vote for you, then you aren't fit to lead anyway. The Tories chose old people, they can stew in that.
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I thought this level of ageism was mainly caused by prepubescent uni students who cant figure out how politics works.
Clearly I was wrong, unless of course your one of them.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
Not sure this is something to celebrate. We need a viable government system and that includes opposition either via one or many parties.
Giving carte blanche to one party regardless of their political angle is a recipe for disaster.
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Realistically, if such a demographic political shift does come to pass, then the Tories will simply have to change to target a more progressive, liberal electorate. I can't imagine we'll ever see a real one-party system for any length of time - these things tend to equalise themselves.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
I thought this level of ageism was mainly caused by prepubescent uni students who cant figure out how politics works.
Clearly I was wrong, unless of course your one of them.
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Why would the average prepubescent person be at uni? There could be a few extremely rare cases where this could happen admittedly but an even smaller number of them would be politically engaged given that they likely can't vote let alone contribute to this 'rising tide of ageism'.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
Not sure this is something to celebrate. We need a viable government system and that includes opposition either via one or many parties.
Giving carte blanche to one party regardless of their political angle is a recipe for disaster.
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Tory voter base changing doesn't give one parry an automatic majority.

The Conservatives just have to adapt their policies for the newer demographics. Instead if giving tax breaks to the rich and punishing everyone else with austerity perhaps if they had policies that people actually appreciated they would gain a larger voter base in the future. The choice doesn't have to be between right-wing (new labour) and far right-wing (Dis-May) parties. As Corbyn has shown there is large support for more centralist ideas. Perhaps in the Future we could could have a centralist Labour and a moderate right-wing Tory party, or even center left labour and moderate right Tories.


the same thing is happening in the US. Republican voters are mostly old white men with strong christian association , low education in rural locations. That is a dying demographic. More women than ever are voting in the US. More people than ever are getting better education and degrees Rural populations continue to decline as there just aren't the jobs in farming and forestry. Moreover, liberals from the coasts are moving to places like Texas and Georgia, changing the reddest of red states into something close to a swing state.





Times change. History has shown that societies do indeed progress, as much as the knuckle dragging neanderthals refuse to accept. Liberals won the the fight to end slavery, give women equal rights, end apartheid, end discrimination based on gender and sexuality, give equal rights to marriage, etc. Over time right wing parties will always have to become more progressive if they want to exist. And in he future, more socialist economic models will be absolutely required to support the growing population with dwindling jobs.
 
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If Labour offers a federalist/reformist/centrist agenda where they allow 1-2 million extra votes from the 16-18 year olds, they will never lose ever again if the Tories are so fanatically ultra-niche.

Patience is all the left-wing/centrists need. One just needs to look at London voting habits to see just how bad it will be for the Tories, 80% of the wealth creation is controlled by mostly Labour MPs.
 
D.P. said:
Tory voter base changing doesn't give one parry an automatic majority.

The Conservatives just have to adapt their policies for the newer demographics. Instead if giving tax breaks to the rich and punishing everyone else with austerity perhaps if they had policies that people actually appreciated they would gain a larger voter base in the future. The choice doesn't have to be between right-wing (new labour) and far right-wing (Dis-May) parties. As Corbyn has shown there is large support for more centralist ideas. Perhaps in the Future we could could have a centralist Labour and a moderate right-wing Tory party, or even center left labour and moderate right Tories.
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Boy George could have went down as a good Chancellor if he had stuck to his mantra 'we are all in this together' and penalised everyone equally. Instead he acted like the usual Tory and penalised the poor/sick/disabled/etc/etc and give tax breaks to the rich.


the same thing is happening in the US. Republican voters are mostly old white men with strong christian association , low education in rural locations. That is a dying demographic. More women than ever are voting in the US. More people than ever are getting better education and degrees Rural populations continue to decline as there just aren't the jobs in farming and forestry. Moreover, liberals from the coasts are moving to places like Texas and Georgia, changing the reddest of red states into something close to a swing state.
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Having a degree is no guarantee. There as people with degrees who are as bigoted as some without them. It seems to be true though that women tend to be less extremist in their views.


Times change. History has shown that societies do indeed progress, as much as the knuckle dragging neanderthals refuse to accept. Liberals won the the fight to end slavery, give women equal rights, end apartheid, end discrimination based on gender and sexuality, give equal rights to marriage, etc. Over time right wing parties will always have to become more progressive if they want to exist. And in he future, more socialist economic models will be absolutely required to support the growing population with dwindling jobs.
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DUP in decline and hope for N. Ireland then. ;);)
 
The thought of him possibly becoming Prime Minister is one of their key motivators to do a deal. This is just a little political brinkmanship.
 
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