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Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by JohnnyG, Jun 8, 2017.

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Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  1. Conservatives

    302 vote(s)
    27.5%
  2. Labour

    577 vote(s)
    52.6%
  3. Liberal Democrats

    104 vote(s)
    9.5%
  4. Green

    13 vote(s)
    1.2%
  5. UKIP

    19 vote(s)
    1.7%
  6. Scottish National Party

    30 vote(s)
    2.7%
  7. Plaid Cymru

    6 vote(s)
    0.5%
  8. Other

    46 vote(s)
    4.2%
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  1. Freakbro

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    Joined: Jul 29, 2010

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    I would have thought the Trump administration was the definition of Radical, I mean, he campaigned on the fact that he wasn't the political establishment and was there to shake up the whole system
     
  2. RDM

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    Joined: Feb 1, 2007

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    As the interpretation ultimately lies with the Supreme Court there are limits to how much he can play "swapsies". Also it doesn't seem to have stopped the judiciary from stopping his EOs. Nor does firing the head of the FBI seemed to have stopped him being investigated. I just think it is a lazy argument to say his administration is facist.

    But then he hasn't really done all that much to shake up the whole system, so his campaign might have promised something radical, it hasn't really delivered it.
     
  3. stewski

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    Joined: Nov 12, 2015

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    And I think its an apologists position to say thing like, well there is still "an" investigation and the supreme court blah blah even as laws are changed to prevent blocking of sweeping changes of those in the judiciary!
     
  4. RDM

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    I am not an apologist for the Trump administration, I think they are one of the worst US administrations in US history.
     
  5. stewski

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    Well on that we agree and likely that the competence is so low it may not impact the world massively!

    But dismissal of authoritarian behaviour with hand waving is apologist!
     
  6. The_Abyss

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    Joined: May 15, 2007

    Posts: 8,031

    Location: Ipswich

    Here's a bit of the detail: https://www.ft.com/content/84892c56-1a17-11e7-bcac-6d03d067f81f

    Look at the market distortion they're creating, by creating debt on our behalf!
     
  7. RDM

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    Joined: Feb 1, 2007

    Posts: 19,312

    Or it is having a different opinion on something? We are still allowed to do that aren't we? It would be a bit authoritarian if we weren't... :)
     
  8. stewski

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    Joined: Nov 12, 2015

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    Sure If our opinions differ its not the end of the world, I call replacing your FBI investigator with someone more acceptable authoritarian and denying that is authoritarian, apologist, you do not!
     
  9. RDM

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    Is there any reason why, even after I have explained that I am not an apologist, you still continue to use the term?
     
  10. FoxEye

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    Posts: 15,902

    Location: Cornwall

    The other being that housing benefit paid to private landlords is now one of the biggest costs of social care, at over £9 billion/year. Up 42% since 2008!

    https://www.theguardian.com/society...-taxpayers-national-housing-federation-report
     
  11. stewski

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    Joined: Nov 12, 2015

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    Clearly because our opinions differ, which isn't the end of the world.
    Thankfully in my opinion Trump is so far proving to be an entirely inept fascist and what looked like a wave of fascism, may have been stemmed by sanity in voting elsewhere.
     
  12. LOAM

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    Joined: Oct 20, 2004

    Posts: 9,943

    Location: Nottingham

  13. The_Abyss

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    Location: Ipswich

  14. LOAM

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    Joined: Oct 20, 2004

    Posts: 9,943

    Location: Nottingham

    There's some suggestion that the DUP are demanding a reduction in corp tax for NI as part of this deal. I imagine it would be quite tempting for UK companies to HQ in NI if that was the case. I understand why they would want it as it would bring it in line with RoI but I think its a bit of a kick in the teeth of UK tax payers.
     
  15. iamtheoneneo

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    Joined: Mar 15, 2010

    Posts: 8,106

    Location: Bucks

  16. StriderX

    Capodecina

    Joined: Mar 18, 2008

    Posts: 12,330

    Welp, don't care, when you only work for the people that vote for you, then you aren't fit to lead anyway. The Tories chose old people, they can stew in that.
     
  17. B@Th*nG

    Soldato

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 5,993

    all they need to do is offer an alternative that doesn't **** over the everyman and they'll be fine. redundant old people who have only voted one way for the last 70 years are part of the problem anyway. A more egalitarian electorate is a positive thing.

    B@
     
  18. Freddie1980

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    Joined: Sep 25, 2009

    Posts: 5,983

    Location: Billericay, UK

  19. iamtheoneneo

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    Joined: Mar 15, 2010

    Posts: 8,106

    Location: Bucks

    I thought this level of ageism was mainly caused by prepubescent uni students who cant figure out how politics works.
    Clearly I was wrong, unless of course your one of them.
     
  20. cheesyboy

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    Joined: Dec 7, 2012

    Posts: 8,597

    Location: West Country

    Realistically, if such a demographic political shift does come to pass, then the Tories will simply have to change to target a more progressive, liberal electorate. I can't imagine we'll ever see a real one-party system for any length of time - these things tend to equalise themselves.
     
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