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Lol no sorry I meant Alonso asked Mclaren to sabotage HAMILTON's car.
Damned stupid dissertation. Typing for hours!
EDIT: http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/6783588/-Alonso-Wanted-To-Sabotage-Lewis-Car-
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Lol no sorry I meant Alonso asked Mclaren to sabotage HAMILTON's car.
Damned stupid dissertation. Typing for hours!
EDIT: http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/6783588/-Alonso-Wanted-To-Sabotage-Lewis-Car-
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http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=43018
Hmm, seems like an odd arrangement although it seems McLaren are supplying NASCAR with electronic systems according to another article on there.
Another interesting article is this: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=43020
So the Renault engines are Nissan designed, or are they just going to be Nissan/Infiniti badged? Seems like an odd arrangement.
Hmm, seems like an odd arrangement although it seems McLaren are supplying NASCAR with electronic systems according to another article on there.
Another interesting article is this: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=43020
So the Renault engines are Nissan designed, or are they just going to be Nissan/Infiniti badged? Seems like an odd arrangement.
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See, I'm torn; on the one hand I'd like to read it, on the other I don't want to give a single penny more to that poisonous little dwarf than I have to.
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The Renault engines are still Renault engines, Infiniti is just paying Renault the fee for RedBull to use them in return for branding them 'Infiniti' engines. Essentially a large sponsorship deal to promote the image of Infiniti. Renault are a 44% share holder in Nissan, and Nissan have a 15% share in Renault. So the deal seems especially mutually beneficial.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9409120.stm
Just how many of Hamiltons overtakes were due to the "all poweful" F-Duct? There was a video floating around last year of all his overtakes, can't find the exact one but I am currently watching another with terrible music and so far I have seen more taking advantage of another drivers mistakes than pwning them with F-Duct power. Double overtake in China where he passed a squabbling RB & Force India at the last hairpin etc. We all know he can overtake.
I originally stated that Hamilton's overtakes are less as a result of the F-Duct or KERS and more due to his own ability. This is why I pointed out that nobody with the exception of Hamilton, is apparently able to extract so much out of the overtaking devices.
You seem to be agreeing with me.
The argument that some people are using is that the overtaking devices (FDuct, KERS, movable rear wing) are making overtaking too easy. My retort, is that these devices are making overtaking easy, but only for one driver - Hamilton. No other driver appears to be able to make use of these devices in quite the same way as Hamilton.
My belief is that this trend will continue into 2011, where overtaking shall remain difficult and wont be as easy as some are stating (ie. press a single button and overtake at will).
Given the results of 2009 and 2010, overtaking may be (relatively) easy for Hamilton, but for the rest of the field, overtaking shall still be very difficult.
We shall find out who is wrong/right in a few weeks, when we see the first race of the season.
And half of them ending up in the armco or into another driver
That's the risk you take.
And once is a risk too many in the 2010 WDC.
I disagree.
A driver's driving style is something that he himself has to decide upon. Given that he beat Button (steady eddie) in the points, despite having a few collisions as a result of his aggressive driving style, Hamilton would argue that his way is the right way.
It could also be argued that had he had a car which was almost as fast as the RBR car and better than the Ferrari, he would've won the championship, using his ultra aggressive driving style.
Surely thats the point? He proved that using his ultra aggressive driving style, effectively scuppered his chances of winning the 2010 WDC.
He binned his car a few times because of "ultra aggressive driving style", where with a little more foresight, could have walked away with some points instead of little or no points, which in turn, would have put him into better contention for the WDC. He lost by 16 points, 2 P.6 finishes, quite easily achievable in both Monza and Singapore where he crashed out or collided.
Hindsight is wonderful and I guess the same could be said about any driver, but I maintain that Hamiltons "ultra aggressive style" in particular, although great from race to race, in the long run over the course of the season, is his undoing.
And furthermore, this year, his ultra aggressive style will shred his tyres like a hot knife through butter. Already you can see the comments from the Mclaren camp. Button favouring the new tyres and Hamilton the complete opposite.
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If he didnt drive so aggressively (and quickly), he would probably not be finishing ahead of his team-mates, as he has done over the last 3 years.
Less aggression = slower lap times = less points.
You talk about winning the 2010 WDC: the RBR was a car which was so far ahead of the competition, this was always going to be a tall order. Even Alonso, who was in such brilliant form, in the 2nd best car on the grid, was unable to negate the RBR car advantage.
If Hamilton wants to win the title, McLaren need to give him a car which is at least within striking distance of the RBR car.
Tyres: many people have stated over the years that Hamilton is tough on tyres and that he won't do well, due to heavy tyre wear. Well, McLaren brought in Button last year, who has a reputation for looking after his tyres and Hamilton's tyre wear in comparison to Button, was no worse. I think this reputation of Hamilton shredding tyres is unjustified. In 2008/9/10, Hamilton beat his team-mates and I see no reason why this will change in 2011.
Less aggression = slower lap times = less points.
You talk about winning the 2010 WDC: the RBR was a car which was so far ahead of the competition, this was always going to be a tall order. Even Alonso, who was in such brilliant form, in the 2nd best car on the grid, was unable to negate the RBR car advantage.
If Hamilton wants to win the title, McLaren need to give him a car which is at least within striking distance of the RBR car.
Tyres: many people have stated over the years that Hamilton is tough on tyres and that he won't do well, due to heavy tyre wear. Well, McLaren brought in Button last year, who has a reputation for looking after his tyres and Hamilton's tyre wear in comparison to Button, was no worse. I think this reputation of Hamilton shredding tyres is unjustified. In 2008/9/10, Hamilton beat his team-mates and I see no reason why this will change in 2011.
See I knew you we're going to say this, which is why I said that over the course of a season, taking into account ALL races, Hamilton generally has finished off worse than better. In 2008 he only managed to scrape through and win the championship (against MASSA of all people).
Disagree. You do not have to be "aggressive" to get better laptimes (And neither is being less agressive equated to slower laptimes). Besides, our discussion is more in the context of "overtaking aggression" as opposed to hot lapping.
Oh absolutely, if RBR hadnt have won it, it would have been a season of missed chances for them. And it nearly was.
Er Ferrari 2nd best car on the grid? Debatable.
Well in fairness to Mclaren, they have given him title winning cars in 2007, 2008 and 2010.
And although the RBR was the superior car in 2010. The Mclaren was no slouch. To find the edge over the RBR, you had to have a brilliant driver, which Mclaren have in the form of Hamilton.
Button has won races this year because he was able to maintain his tyres better, (I cant recall specifically but there are examples). I admit it wasnt as severe as others thought it would be, but nonetheless, there does exist this factor, and it is a factor which will undoubtedly increase in magnitude with the introduction of the unpredictable Pirelli tyres.
Dont forget 2007
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Pressing a KERS button is easy. Pressing it at the right time, is not.
Covering an F-Duct hole is easy. Covering it at the right time, is not.
Pressing the throttle or brake pedals is easy. Pressing them at the right time, is not.
Steering the wheel is easy. Steering the car in precisely the right position, is not.
Changing gear is easy. Changing it at exactly the right moment is not.
Pressing the rear wing button is easy. Pressing it at exactly the right time, is not.
And doing all of the above, simultaneously, is DAMN difficult.
If it really was as easy as you are making out, all of us here would be racing in F1.
It is evident that in 2011, the work load for a driver is going to be very high - probably the highest it has ever been. Almost every driver has made comments regarding the workload for 2011.
With the high workload, the ability of a driver to multi-task is going to be paramount and Hamilton is VERY good at multitasking. This is the reason why I believe that in 2011, Hamilton will stretch his advantage over Button, compared with 2010. This goes against conventional wisdom that in a team that Button is now settled in, he should be able to perform better than he did in 2010 and as a result finish closer to Hamilton in the points standings.
By the end of 2011, we shall know if I was wrong or right.
Ooh, sauce please?
Also any word on when Mercedes will sell their remaining share in Mclaren?
Using KERS, F Duct, movable rear wing, both pedals, changing gear whilst turning a corner simultaneously would be difficult yes
Whilst workload in the cockpit has no doubt increased, I think mastering the tyre degradation will prove more important in 2011. No one doubts Hamilton's overtaking prowess.
Whilst workload in the cockpit has no doubt increased, I think mastering the tyre degradation will prove more important in 2011. No one doubts Hamilton's overtaking prowess.
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